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Thread: Four new saws (hmm 60+ yo maybe)
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22nd March 2014, 09:42 AM #136
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Ian and Paul
A good (traditional?) mixture is Linseed oil (raw or boiled) + Turps (pure is probably best) + Kero + Metho. This also cleans the wood, you can scrub it in and use a scourer pad. There are multiple mixes - probably start with 1: 1: 1 for first 3 components and then enough metho to go on easily. Remember to label the screw top wine bottle you make the mix in!
Cheers
Peter
ps if really dirty, a scrub with water and detergent works well as a first step
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22nd March 2014, 02:34 PM #139
oh yeah ... with ya tiger-striped ring-spalted salmon maple gidgee ...
this apple's got colour mate ... it's got soul ... tears have been cried on this handle ... and not just when I glued my thumb in the thumbhole ...
it's lived life ... smelt the sawdust ... cut through the bull.. Oh, my pills are here.
Paul
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22nd March 2014, 07:12 PM #140
It's okay, Paul, it's okay; dry the tears. I like your Apple handle too, for all the reasons you stated. Wouldn't think even for a split second of changing it. I've got 3 Apple-handled saws in my tool kit, and one of them, the one I inherited from my old pot, is just as beat-up as yours, and that will stay that way 'til the day I relinquish it.
There, feel better now?
But if you ever made a saw from scratch, or had to make a new handle for a saw with a completely cactus one, where are you going to get the Applewood from, hey?? But there are alternatives that are a bit easier to source.......
IW
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22nd March 2014, 09:06 PM #141
Paul
That handle has come up pretty well with an "aged, cared-for" look. It has a softness about it not replicated with new (say only 60 years old ) saws.
Funny you should say about the wax. I am in the same boat, never having had any in the house unless you count the aural type . Oh, I did try some car polish that I found, but it wasn't impressive even on the plate. I took the advice of the local man at Toowoomba Woodworks who recommended carnuba wax too. This was the result on the early D8 panel saw.
Handsaw resto 11 002.jpgHandsaw resto 11 001.jpg
I would have liked to use one of the hard burnishing products, but didn't really see how I could maximise their benefit without using power buffing, which while not impossible, is difficult on a handle.
Regards
PaulBushmiller;
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23rd March 2014, 08:59 PM #142
Stewie
Ok
Now I have the the blade back (thanks muchly Pagie) I can answer these questions
Handle thickness
@ top saw nut is 23.4 mm
@ bottom saw nut is 23mm
Size of hole in blade is 6.10 mm (trouble is they are oval)
bottom bolt head is 13mm
top bolt head (ie that with washer) is 15.5 mm
saw nuts, really all over the the place as I think they've been chopped out by the hex nuts but realisticaly 15mm
As to whether split nuts or more recent types, I dunno
which do you think might look the best.
I've gone through the few I've pulled out of the saws I've recently acquired and none of them come to the same size shank as the hole in the blade
cheersregards
Nick
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24th March 2014, 01:02 AM #143Deceased
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Hi Nick. From the sizes mentioned the early type split nuts wont do the job.The big issue you face is the damage you have on the nut side of the handle. Trying to patch these up is going to look fairly untidy. You are probably better off boring them out to a larger dia. on both sides of the handle. You will need to find 2 sets of oversize saw screws that will do the job. Don't be overly concerned at the moment with the hole sizes in saw plate. Once everything else has been sorted out this will seem much easier to resolve. Get back to me if you need further help or advise.
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24th March 2014, 08:05 AM #144
Thanks Stewie
Think I've got a set taken off something else that will probably do the trick
I've concluded that I'm never going to get this handle anywhere near pristine
A few dingles, which I'm not that worried about
The annoying thing is dark stains/blotches, was thinking about bleaching but I think I'll go with it as it is
I'll do a final sand today and put on a coat of somethingregards
Nick
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24th March 2014, 08:11 AM #145regards
Nick
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31st March 2014, 03:57 PM #146
first attempt at saw sharpening
It wasn't as difficult as I thought it might be
husky_7213.jpgregards
Nick
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9th April 2014, 11:14 PM #147
I had wanted to re-assemble the little backsaw and the Disston no 76 today
but wanted some new saw nuts.
thought I'd wait until I picked up my next addition to the stable.
On the weekend I noticed a little packet of saws for sale on ebay.
1 hour to go, hmm
6 saws hmm
pickup only, bugger (usually)
suburb next door, hmm
interesting carving on a couple of the handles ...
anyway I bid and ended up with 6 new saws. 2 of which I won't bother describing
numbering is all over the place (but sort of follows from that previous posts)
Saw # 24
Disston
Tote has lost it's top and bottom horns (some time ago)
and there is a split just above the 3rd nut
Medallion says "Disston Phila"
the blade is stamped 9 and is filed 9 ppi x cut.
the blade is 22" long and 6" deep at the tote
saw #24_7816.jpg
Saw # 22
Disston
small chip from top horn
stamped 11 and filed at 11 cross cut
Medallion says "Disston Canada"
Blade is 22" long and 6 1/4" at the tote
saw #22_7815.jpg
Saw #25
No Name
Square front
stamped 6 and filed 6 ppi xcut
blade is 26" long and 6 1/3 at the tote
no markings that I can see - no etch
the blade has a decent bow in it - so probably not useable
I did the thump test on this blade - Sounds sweet - I'll have to video for those who like such things!
saw #25_7819.jpg
Saw # 23
No name - dodgy handle - Disston?
no etch that I can see (did a little sanding)
obviously a replacement tote
saw bolts in back to front
blade is sharpened 4 ppi - teeth look a little strange
medallion Disston & Sons Philada
I reckon replacement handle using the same saw bolts
Blade seems to be thicker at the tooth line than at the back (I haven't measured)
saw # 23_7821.jpg saw #23_7824.jpg
anyway
#24 and #22 look like peas in a pod, No 9's maybe (except for damage), but the medallions are different. Same length and about same depth of blade. I'd thought one was cutoff/shortened until I'd seen the second.
#25 is the sweetest sounding saw I've heard - definitely bell like*
#23 has supplied a couple of better saw nuts for my little backsaw - I'll have to polish them up, they are in better condition than the ones I had planned on using.
I now have a couple of saw nuts etc to fit the little backsaw betterer
*and I should note I've heard heaps - well about 12 or so ...regards
Nick
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10th April 2014, 04:18 AM #148
Seeeee ... it's not just me ...
That 90degree saw with the great sound, you might find there are ruler markings down the straight back of the saw.
They were I guess sorta a 'gimmick' in that the etched rule on the blade and the square at the handle ... but like you've heard yourself ... if it sounds like that, there's no convincing me the blade is rubbish.
Your first two are #12s ... they are/were the top of the top model in my opinion.
There were others that cost more (D115, rosewood handle) ... but these are the bomb.
They must have still been popular - in the US they are found in all sorts of conditions from Near-New, to used rough, to virtually disappearing.
I have several with handles like yours that suggests an energetic usage, but good blades.
Two things -
First, they should also have a great sound, but being 22" might cut that back some ... and loose handles (if they are) will kill it for sure.
Second, at 9ppi and 11ppi it suggests someone was doing some relatively fine work with them ... interior fit-out maybe? cabinetry?
I have remained surprised that it wasn't just the fine points that people had #12s in ... you also find them as 5ppi eg ... so I feel like in the same way that cabinet-makers could have any sort of backsaw ... but liked their very lovely brass-backed saws with fine handles, ... I guess some carpenters or joiners or whatever felt strongly about their handsaws too.
I posted once about the relative prices of these things ... about 1918 I think. --> yup ... https://www.woodworkforums.com/showth...89#post1757989
Cheers,
Paul
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10th April 2014, 10:56 PM #149
Disston 76
It really is!
I'm just trying to relieve the pressure - would hate the west to sink into the ocean under the weight of all that handsaw steel
In all honesty I was looking to acquire saw nuts ... the rest is mere baggage
I'll have a look - from the 1918 Disston catalog it's probably not a Disston
Interestingly the handle is actually quite comfortable in the hand - I haven't tried to saw with it though
I'll do a bong test on camera shortly
I also thought that they must have been used by a woody practicing the finer skills given the toothing - not sure whether owned by the same person though.
Now to the real reason of the post ... tah dah
the 76 has been remarried to its tote
I've tried a test cut and can only conclude that I really need to learn those sharpening skills
piccies:
Disston 76_7827.jpg
Disston 76_7828.jpgregards
Nick
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10th April 2014, 11:23 PM #150
Nick
If the bottom pic is anything to go by I can see why it wasn't cutting too well . The totes are coming up well.
Regards
PaulBushmiller;
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