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    Quote Originally Posted by pmcgee View Post
    ......But I can see you are a twisted, evil character. ....
    I'll second that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    I have the same question? In fact the bare apple is a rather bland finish. Did the likes of Disston apply stain or did they rely on the surface treatment (BLO, other oils, wax etc) imparting the colour?

    The problem I see is the original handle gives no room to test the finish short of using an old, similar-timbered, sacrificial handle.

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    I've a feeling they may have had some stain in the finishing coats
    I'll try some BLO on mine when I finish the sanding
    I'll post a piccy after each coat dries

    Thanks Christos. I might get a T-shirt with that logo, I probably need some image to go with it.

    Picked up a new(ish) backsaw today - piccies tomorrow
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    First up - I don't know finishing. Still learning.
    IanW, Derek, planemaker, ... they'd know much better.

    But ... I recently had an apple thumbhole handle that I took off, and found I had a 'normal' handle that almost fitted straight on.
    The thumbhole needed gluing in three places, which I've done.
    It was white as white after a bit of sanding ... and after 4 latherings of BLO it is a very dark brown and just now stopping soaking in.
    Next stage I guess sand back and/or wipe over with metho ... then wax.
    It's experimental.

    But ... some other approaches ...
    Paul Sellers



    Old Sneelock (not a big favourite) .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZGo4EAxgvk

    and a young guy doing awful things to his sawblade ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYQAXGDnHBo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYmyVRMB8gs

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmcgee View Post
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    It's a good link.

    I have to make some handles down the track so there are some ideas there. I do really like the lambs tongue look, which seems to be present on earlier (pre 1900) handsaws and back saws, but it seemed to fall from favour in later years. I suppose it was a combination of labour intensity and perhaps an included weakness not in keeping with the physical force required for a large handsaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker View Post
    I've a feeling they may have had some stain in the finishing coats
    I'll try some BLO on mine when I finish the sanding
    I'll post a piccy after each coat dries

    Picked up a new(ish) backsaw today - piccies tomorrow
    Paul

    That's my feeling and Paul's link to Paul Sellars showed him mixing a stain into shellac.

    More saws. Tut..tut .

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    Here's some apple handles that look and feel amazing ... including my first ever saw 'ALF' ...

    https://plus.google.com/photos/10355...60109394975329

    I'd say wax + ???? before that.

    I don't know about inherent weakness from a lamb's tongue ... there are english saws, over 100 years old, well worn with little/no sign of trauma there. (eg https://plus.google.com/photos/10355...58003325401745)

    Maybe it is owner care and historic filtering ... plus numbers produced. Maybe the ruined 100+ yo's have been rehandled or not made it ... and we see all the broken #7s because a zillion were made and they are more recent.

    Backsaws have them and survive pretty well ... different usage I guess, 'though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Paul

    That's my feeling and Paul's link to Paul Sellars showed him mixing a stain into shellac.

    More saws. Tut..tut .

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    But it needed to be rescued
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmcgee View Post
    Here's some apple handles that look and feel amazing ... including my first ever saw 'ALF' ...

    https://plus.google.com/photos/10355...60109394975329

    I'd say wax + ???? before that.

    I don't know about inherent weakness from a lamb's tongue ... there are english saws, over 100 years old, well worn with little/no sign of trauma there. (eg https://plus.google.com/photos/10355...58003325401745)

    Maybe it is owner care and historic filtering ... plus numbers produced. Maybe the ruined 100+ yo's have been rehandled or not made it ... and we see all the broken #7s because a zillion were made and they are more recent.

    Backsaws have them and survive pretty well ... different usage I guess, 'though.

    Cheers,
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    Paul

    It's hard to know. Whatever the story the lamb's tongue, for me, is streets ahead in aesthetics. Just a personal preference and the irony is that I don't have a single saw like that . One day perhaps.

    I don't have a saw with the thumbhole either and I had thought it would be a good design to use for a new handle, but I do need a suitable saw to put it on. A 4ppi rip I had in the back of my mind, as when I saw I almost never use two hands. Oh, I should qualify in that, while I am not fully ambidextrous, I do swap to the left hand in difficult spots or so I don't need to re-position the work piece. A rip cut in heavy timber I might use two hand together.

    Your pix are great, but you will have to explain the "ALF" reference as my brain is having a day off (it only works on a Monday, if the weather's right ). It looked like somebody's initials on a very nice handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker View Post
    But it needed to be rescued
    Believe me when I say I do understand. I think I have found some clothing for you

    hook line and sinker.jpg.

    .

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    Default new backsaw

    Does it come in any other colours?

    ...


    Anyway my new backsaw

    Francis Wood & Son
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    cast steel

    blade is 12" long and 2 3/4" deep
    seems to be filed 12 ppi at least at the toe - filed with that variable toothing method ie varies at odd points over the blade

    I think it might have been the subject of a start of a restoration
    the left side seems as though it has been cleaned up sometime whilst the other side has a lot of surface rust
    and the handle faces appear to have been sanded or at least cleaned

    The handle has a nice feel to it and seems to be mainly intact, a couple of minor nicks. Nice lambs tongue
    Someone has lost the sawnuts though. I doubt these were original bottom bolt maybe but the nuts unlikely

    have a little bit of work to bring this one up to usability
    I'll know more when I pull the handle off

    anybody know anything about Francis Wood & Son?
    I think I've read something about them recently but don't know where
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker View Post
    seems to be filed 12 ppi at least at the toe - filed with that variable toothing method ie varies at odd points over the blade
    Not a progressive pitch?

    I also have a correction to make to an earlier post. I have a 16" tenon saw which has a lamb's tongue tote. I had forgotten until I had to use it today .

    I thought there might have been a pic with your post Nick .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    ...

    I thought there might have been a pic with your post Nick .

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    F Wood & Son_4675.jpg F Wood & Son_4682.jpg F Wood & Son_4680.jpg F Wood & Son_4684.jpg
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    Paul

    I've viewed that Paul Sellers video a little while ago
    I'd rather make a new handle then make a purse out of a sow's ear (let alone a silk purse)

    and I won't make any comment on the Sneelock video or the young chap's. Yawn

    The woodworkerszone offering is really interesting but seems to degenerate on the sanding issue, Correction this is not really correct more a debate on tapered blades and how to possibly do - actually quite interesting. Those handles he's making are simply superb

    And I like your saw pawn photos

    The lambs tongue dabate is interesting.
    My view (fwiw) is that it adds to strength to the bottom of the tote and is more likely broken by extraneous force than by proper or usual use

    Pac man
    Thanks for the link
    but doesn't really tell me much - unless I'm missing something
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