Thread: Four new saws (hmm 60+ yo maybe)

Pacman was pointing you to these entries ...

1077	1925	Kellys 1925	WOOD	Francis	(& Son) saw, garden shear & skate manufacturer	Thorpe Works, 67 & 69 Henry Street	View
1076	1919	Whites 1919	WOOD	Francis	(& Son) saw, garden shear & skate manufacturers	Thorp Works, 67 & 69 Henry Street

Thanks Paul

I thought there might be more info as there is a link at the end of each entry
all I get when I click is this
backsaw net.jpg

I was hoping for more info or even piccies
doI have to join up to see more?

Hah:
just did a google search and up comes my last post
the main (repeated) google entry is the two man, hand chainsaw which they made for the army during the war

Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker

Thanks Paul

I thought there might be more info as there is a link at the end of each entry
all I get when I click is this
backsaw net.jpg

I was hoping for more info or even piccies

Hah:
just did a google search and up comes my last post
the main (repeated) google entry is the two man, hand chainsaw which they made for the army during the war

Yes, I'm too.

Regards
Paul

Nick. That's a great looking handle shape on your Francis Wood & Son backsaw.

Stewie;

Originally Posted by planemaker

Nick. That's a great looking handle shape on your Francis Wood & Son backsaw.

Stewie;

Thanks
I think it's fairly pretty meself
which is why I grabbed it

I've started to clean it up
very gunked up and is clogging up the sandpaper something terrible
I've uncovered a hairline crack
anyway I'll keep cleaning and sanding and see how it goes

Nick. In the past I have used Meth. Spirits to remove the old finish. Just put some in a bowl and rub back with a dampened rag. After the old finish has been removed you should be able to sand back the handle with say 400 grit wet & dry (water soaked) to smooth off the handle surface. Wash the handle down afterwards with soapy water to remove any remnants of meth then rinse clean with clear water. Allow time for the handle surface to thoroughly dry out before applying a new finish.

Stewie;

Stewie

thanks
I tried some metho but probably wasn't liberal enough
will try again

what finish did you prefer?

Nick. If need be soak the handle in the meth. spirit for 5 min. to break down the old finish before commencing the rubbing with the dampened cloth.
I favor shellac nowadays but of you want to use an easier method Danish Oil or China Wood Oil works okay. Just make sure you wipe away any excess oil from the handle after a few min. and let harden for a few days before light sanding (water wet 400 grit or higher). If needed apply a thin coat of soft paste wax over the finish. Remove any excess with a soft cloth after a minute. If you have a buffing mop that you can fit to a pedestal drill, use that to buff up the handle. Wait 20 min for the wax to harden further and repeat buffing. Should shine up all right. If you dont have a mechanical buff then its elbow grease. I am not that keen on Boiled Linseed Oil as it tends to stink too much, but others swear by it. Hope you get the results your after with the info supplied.

Stewie;

Originally Posted by Sawdust Maker

Thanks Paul
I thought there might be more info as there is a link at the end of each entry
all I get when I click is this

I believe that is "potential for future development" ... RayG being "pretty damn good" but "not a magician".

the main (repeated) google entry is the two man, hand chainsaw which they made for the army during the war

Ah ... hadn't seen that.
http://www.gilai.com/product_728/Mil...y-Francis-Wood
"This long folding saw was made by Francis Wood & Son, Ltd in Sheffield and supplied in 1943 to the war office with the arrow and manufacturer stamps. It is 115 cm (46 inch) long and comes with two handles, a saw set and file. All inserted into a military leather belt pouch stamped with an arrow and P. Ltd 1943. The label on the original cardboard box provides additional information. The saw is in mint condition Francis Wood started the business in 1908 as ‘Machine Knife Manufacturer’ and later as ‘Saw Manufacturer’. The company worked from Thorpe Works, 67-69 Henry Street in Sheffield."

A few little sniffs, and always nice when the info is contradictory

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issu.../6159/page.pdf
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issu.../6160/page.pdf

"MINISTRY OF LABOUR
19 St. James's Square, London S.W. 1.
FACTORIES AlCTiS, 1937 TO 1959
Employment of Women and Young Persons
In accordance with section 2*3' of the Factories Act,
1959, the (Minister of Labour hereby gives notice
that, during the month ending 31st August I960, he
has made special exemption orders relating to the
employment of women and /or young persons at the
following factories:
...
English Steel Corporation Limited, Tinsley Park and Grime Thorpe Works, Sheffield."


http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Francis_Wood_and_Son

Francis Wood and Son (has two newspaper ads)


of Thorpe Works, Henry Street, Sheffield
Manufacturers and suppliers in Great Britain.
1834 Company established.
1937 Saw manufacturers. [1]
Sources of Information
↑ 1937 The Aeroplane Directory of the Aviation and Allied Industries

1834!!!! That's advertising for you!

ok ... I was forgetting the other entries ... but still suspect some creative timekeeping

1077	1925	Kellys 1925	WOOD	Francis	(& Son) saw, garden shear & skate manufacturer	Thorpe Works, 67 & 69 Henry Street	View
1076	1919	Whites 1919	WOOD	Francis	(& Son) saw, garden shear & skate manufacturers	Thorp Works, 67 & 69 Henry Street	View
1075	1893	Kellys 1893	WOOD	Francis	Saw manufacturer	see Yates & Wood	View
1074	1881	Kellys 1881	WOOD	Francis	Saw manufacturer ( Yates & Wood )	res Birkendale House, 26 Birkdale Upperthorpe	View
1072	1856	Whites 1856	WOOD	Francis	Saw manufacturer ( Yates & Wood )	Wardsend	View
1073	1862	Dir & Top Sheffield	WOOD	Francis	Saw manufacturer ( Yates & Wood )	h. Philidelphia

Paul

Thanks for putting that info up
I wonder when they became Wood & Son. Seems might have been around 1900ish.
But the handle on this little backsaw seems older to me, given shape, lambs tongue etc

received a package on Sunday containing a few more saws

couple of interesting ones in the group

I'll continue on with my numbering system

#12 Noname

no name on this one and I can't see an etch
London pattern handle, 3 split nuts (fairly gunked up)
the blade is 28" long and 7 ppi crosscut (?) and unfortunately has S bends like the Bonang Highway. Lot of blade depth though, 7"
that chip out of the handle is unfortunate and there are also fairly major checks in the tote as shown.

Saw #12 no name_4731.jpg Saw #12 no name_4734.jpg Saw #12 no name_4739.jpg Saw #12 no name_4742.jpg Saw #12 no name_4746.jpg


#13 Warranted Superior - Eagle

Blade 26 1/2" long and 6 1/2" deep at the tote
filed 7 ppi crosscut
the tote has been in the wars - not sure if repairable. Top horn missing and the bottom horn has a decent chunk out of it
the blade seems straight
my first nib

Saw #13 warranted Superior eagle_4748.jpg Saw #13 warranted Superior eagle_4752.jpg Saw #13 warranted Superior eagle_4754.jpg Saw #13 warranted Superior eagle_4755.jpg Saw #13 warranted Superior eagle_4757.jpg Saw #13 warranted Superior eagle_4759.jpg


#14 Spear & Jackson

Blade 26" long and 6 3/4" deep.
Filed 6 1/2 rip
Owned by someone with the initials "HG". HG Nelson maybe?
There's a nice chip out of the top horn on the obverse side, builders bog should fix that!
It also seems that the front part of the tote has been in oil or something or got oiled along with the blade
The blade is straight, with snail trails and a hint of an etch. I'm concerned that this one might have bad pitting but won't know until I start playing with it.

Saw #14 Spear & Jackson_4762.jpg Saw #14 Spear & Jackson_4764.jpg Saw #14 Spear & Jackson_4770.jpg Saw #14 Spear & Jackson_4766.jpg Saw #14 Spear & Jackson_4773.jpg


#15 Warranted Superior - 3 Leg

Blade is 26" long with about 6 1/2" at the tote and is straight.
Filed 7 ppi crosscut and is quite blunt. Has a stamp 7 under the tote
More modern style of handle with a medallion and two advertising washers around it (don't know why two)
washer says "All 3 Leg saws are ground thin to back * and fully guaranteed *"
3 Leg - likely to be a Joseph Tyzack & Son saw
Tote has a nice split in it and despite the more modern shape is quite comfortable

Saw #15 Warranted Superior 3 Leg_4775.jpg Saw #15 Warranted Superior 3 Leg_4777.jpg Saw #15 Warranted Superior 3 Leg_4779.jpg Saw #15 Warranted Superior 3 Leg_4783.jpg Saw #15 Warranted Superior 3 Leg_4786.jpg


#16 Columbian Warranted

Blade is 26" long with 5 1/4" at tote and is straight
Filed 8 ppi rip - has a stamp beneath the tote, so was originally filed 8
Tote has been painted, dyed(?) a lovely deep crimson colour along with the medallion
Not sure whether the blade has bad pitting or just surface rust
E C Atkins & Co saw?

Saw #16 Columbian Warranted_4790.jpg Saw #16 Columbian Warranted_4796.jpg Saw #16 Columbian Warranted_4792.jpg Saw #16 Columbian Warranted_4794.jpg Saw #16 Columbian Warranted_4798.jpg



The other five will be in a seperate post sometime later today

"my first nib"

Nick

Hence the phrase "His nibs?"




Saw #15 Warranted Superior 3 Leg_4786.jpg

I love those multi-coloured medallions.



"The other five will be in a seperate post sometime later today"

The parcel looks like a treasure trove and there's more to come .

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