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27th February 2017, 09:01 AM #211
Paul.
Most interesting.
My impression is that the D100 does not usually enjoy the same amount of desirability as the D8, which is absurd as it is the same saw with a wheat carved handle. Consequently I was surprised that it sold so quickly. However, i agree that it was just about unused and in mint condition. Mint condition is incidentally a term bandied around a little too easily, but not in this instance.
The Simonds No.372, of which that example is from the last period post 1923, is a nice saw and has the blue etch still intact so that does set it apart. I have only seen about six saws come through my hands with the blue still present. The blue does easily disappear when restoring the saw plate and great care is needed. The butchering of the heel seriously detracts from that saw being an ultimate collectible commanding a premium price. I suspect that the purchaser did not take that into account.
US$250 is A$325. I think the most I have sold a saw for was A$175, which was for a similar saw with the dollar medallion (hugely more appealing to my mind) and sharpened ready to either use or display. I might have to review my pricing policy .
Thanks for bringing our attention to this. Incidentally, I always welcome such links so if anybody turns them up I hope you will post here.
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1st March 2017, 08:26 AM #212
Well Pac Man the plot thickens...
Look what has just come up on Ebay:
Near-Mint Clean 26" Simonds 372 Blue Ribbon Saw - with an actually blue ribbon | eBay
and
Mint Clean 1903-1917 26" Disston D-100 - Like a Mirror | eBay
Recognise them?
Yep..
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Only now they are for sale for US$250!!
And the heel of the Simonds No.372 is still brutally ground off: No improvement there.
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1st March 2017, 09:03 PM #213SENIOR MEMBER
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1st March 2017, 10:04 PM #214
I had thought that too, but when I revisited the thread I saw $200 so I thought I must have been mistaken.
It is a free world, unless the POTUS has changed anything further between lunchtime and the present, so a person can make a buck where ever he can, but there seemed to be something slightly immoral in turning around two purchases as quickly as that. I, however in a way do the same thing except that I have usually restored the saw and hand sharpened it in the intervening period.
My view is that the Disston D100 may be worth nearly the original asking price of $200, but the Simonds No.372 definitely is not.
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18th March 2017, 03:04 PM #215
I have been away for a few days down in NSW for a meet the guests, a wedding, a follow up brunch and a 70th birthday party. Quite a social experience for me.
On my return I finished up the handle for the saw from the Crescent Moon period:
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I don't know if these pix aid the identification of the timber any more. I would put my money on Beech, but am very happy to be shouted down.
Don't look at the table, which was a rescue from next door when they moved out. It was destined to go to the tip. the psychedelic colouring occurred when I spray painted my horizontal vice . It is a sacrificial top .
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18th March 2017, 09:03 PM #216
Paul,
Saw is looking great.
I'm going with Beech for the handle,
but only so I don't get off side with you.
Also, I quite like your new photo prop.
Heaps better than the back of the ute.
But just not as manly as the ute.
Cheers Matt.
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18th March 2017, 10:38 PM #217
Matt
I am pretty much resigned to that saw being Beech and consequently a No.10. I continue my quest for a No.9. I know you're out there!!!
The ute is what it is: A good honest no frills chunk of Aussie heavy metal. The checkerplate tray is the largest flat surface I have. Particularly if I wish it to be uncluttered.
The table, which is disintegrating before my eyes, is a passable alternative, especially if you have mislaid your glasses (again.)
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19th March 2017, 04:17 PM #218Intermediate Member
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How can you tell the difference between the 8 and the 9 can't make out the etching on the heel unfortunately - picked this up from the local tip shop for $12
I can see this turning into an addiction...
Full saw image flipped around as it was upside down and I'm too lazy to fix it again
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19th March 2017, 05:40 PM #219
Hello Noddy
The fact is that without an etch that includes the model number you can't with the later Nos.8/9. The "narrow" No.9 looks exactly like a worn No.8.
Well done to pick the saw up from the tip. It's more than I have ever done.
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19th March 2017, 06:59 PM #220Intermediate Member
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Cheers Paul,
lets call this a #8 then
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20th March 2017, 08:09 AM #221
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20th March 2017, 10:41 AM #222
Stew
Thanks for reminding me. My last post was hurried as I had to rush off before finishing. The screws are indeed the wrong way around. This leads me to ask if there is a large indent on the correct side of the handle where the medallion should go? If not the handle may be a replacement and incorrectly fitted. The factories did make mistakes, but not that one.
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20th March 2017, 11:55 AM #223
I don't think there's too much doubt that handle is a ring-in, Paul. It's too crude to be a factory handle from the era of the bolts & medallion, so it's either taken off a much later saw, or user-made. If from a later saw, you'd expect the bolts to have been re-installed the 'right' way round, so my preferrd dignosis would be the latter case.
Given the remaining width of its blade, that saw has had a long, hard-working life, which probably included some severe trauma to the original handle. I'd judge the replacement handle to be the work of a moderately competent person who was more intent on getting the saw back to work than fussing over details. That would describe my old pot to a T.....
Cheers,IW
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20th March 2017, 12:09 PM #224
Ian
I'm glad you have mentioned that. I am unable to enlarge the pix on this computer, but the handle does look a little crude. Now, if there is no etch, the only certainty is that the medallion is a Simonds!! Having said that, Simonds is not so common in Oz so the plate may well be Simonds too. Noddy, any sign of the etch?
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20th March 2017, 01:59 PM #225
Paul,
Can you give us a little primer on the dating of Simonds saws?
Regards,
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