Thread: The Simonds Saw Story

I'll look forward to seeing it Stew. Always happy to see a good Simonds.

Regards
Paul

For some time now I have been planning to post a timeline for the various Simonds hand saw models. Recently Rob Streeper asked for some details and I gave some indication of the time frame via the medallions, but of course that does not tell the whole story. This is a list on when the various models were produced based on the catalogues I have:

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* The 1914 catalogue is a Pacific Coast edition and I think some models were omitted although available elsewhere. The No.7 1/2 and the possibly the No.8 1/2 (The last mention is 1912) are in this category and at least one "third level" saw is missing.

** None of these saws ever appeared in catalogues I have. They do exist as I either have them or have seen them.

There is a discrepancy between the the Blue Ribbon saws for 1914 and 1916 in that the seventy series are there in 1914 but not in 1916. I can't explain that one. Also it is apparent that while there were eventually eight Blue Ribbon saws (plus the "Junior," which was also Blue Ribbon) initially only the full depth models were introduced. The narrow models appeared later: This could have been 1914 or 1916.

Something I have not mentioned previously is that all the "third level" (my terminology) saws had a number as well as a name. I have not posted pix of these saws yet and is something I must do in the future.

I will update this list as more information comes to hand.

I have not included the back saws as they were all produced virtually continuously through the period 1900 to 1926. They were the No.95 (Mitre saw), No.96 (Back saw with Apple handle), No.97 (Back saw with Beech handle, No.98 (Bay State Back saw), No.99 ( Babbitt Back saw).

Regards
Paul

A while back(posts #182 and #192) I mentioned Simonds No.166, which as far as I know is the smallest saw they made. I have now cleaned it up, jointed and shaped it (but not sharpened it).

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As Rob Streeper commented, the only way for an adult male to hold this is with two fingers through the grip, the first finger pointing down the plate and the little finger tucked under the handle. There is a little pitting on the steel, but the handle is almost perfect with just a small chip ahead of the front saw screw.

Regards
Paul

I see some strange things purporting to be Simonds. This one is indeed Simonds but with a much modified tooth pattern:

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I think it was a 5 1/2ppi rip saw converted to a coarse crosscut pattern. I think it sold for over US$50. Very surprising.

However this one takes the cake:

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It was listed at US$15 and has immediately gone to US$152. The handle is held on by nuts and bolts (not hand saw screws) some of which are missing and I completely fail to see the attraction in the handle and a star that would be better suited to a gun holster on a cowboy's belt.

The most surprising thing of all is that two people think this saw is wonderful. The only thing good about it is that the saw plate has plenty of depth and there is a faint etch there not that I could clearly see it in the pix. It is probably an earlier No.10 as the later examples were medium width.

Am I missing anything here with the pricing?

Regards
Paul

Wow... Yeah, I'm with you, Paul. Not seeing the draw. It's pretty unbelievable that someone would pay that much for it.

Looks like a prime canvas for a reprint of Manet's "Luncheon on the Grass"...

Cheers,
Luke

It's value to collectors is that it was designed by David Bowie

Originally Posted by Fergiz01

It's value to collectors is that it was designed by David Bowie

Stardust?

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

I see some strange things purporting to be Simonds. This one is indeed Simonds but with a much modified tooth pattern:

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I think it was a 5 1/2ppi rip saw converted to a coarse crosscut pattern. I think it sold for over US$50. Very surprising.

However this one takes the cake:

Custom Simonds.jpgCustom Simonds 4.jpgCustom Simonds 5.jpg

It was listed at US$15 and has immediately gone to US$152. The handle is held on by nuts and bolts (not hand saw screws) some of which are missing and I completely fail to see the attraction in the handle and a star that would be better suited to a gun holster on a cowboy's belt.

The most surprising thing of all is that two people think this saw is wonderful. The only thing good about it is that the saw plate has plenty of depth and there is a faint etch there not that I could clearly see it in the pix. It is probably an earlier No.10 as the later examples were medium width.

Am I missing anything here with the pricing?

Regards
Paul

Each to there own Paul
Any Punk would be proud to have that saw

Cheers Matt

Rarest of the Rare WHEELER MADDEN & CLEMSON Star Saw



I knew I'd seen one of these before, but the Simonds reference threw me...

US$3086.... words fail me.


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Is that $3086 US
I've owned cars worth less lol


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We just renewed the insurance on our car for less than that today . Well nearly.

However, this saw clearly has a Simonds saw plate, which makes it a hybrid. It probably looks like Swiss cheese under the handle. I see that the leading bidder has put in a second bid.

OLD SIMONDS No.10 HAND SAW WITH WILD STAR HANDLE 8 TPI

Rare or not, genuine or not, I still think it looks fugly!


Thanks TimmyM.

Regards
Paul

Fugly alright! If you peer closely at the enlarged view at the handle end, you can just make out the shadow of the much more conventional original.

P'raps this was the Lone Ranger's firewood saw?

Cheers,

Originally Posted by IanW

Fugly alright! If you peer closely at the enlarged view at the handle end, you can just make out the shadow of the much more conventional original.

P'raps this was the Lone Ranger's firewood saw?

Cheers,

Ian
I tip my hat to you.
And here was I just about to ask for a credit on my wage for the next year.
From my boss

Cheers Matt

Well, if I had not bashed by head yet again resulting in some damaged tissue, I would be scratching it really, really hard. Our "Star" saw which clearly wasn't a WMC Star saw, and as IanW observed had a replacement handle as when studied carefully the old handle mark can still be seen just sold for:

US$1025.00!!

To my mind the sawplate and the handle have to be regarded separately. The plate was worth $25 (if you were feeling generous) so that makes the handle alone $1000! Could be a record for just a handle

Regards
Paul