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    Thanks Paul
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    Luke,

    Yes, they work. I have a Disston and though it needs sharpening it does a decent job.

    Rob
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    Luke, from Disston's own blurb, I took it that the metal-cutting handsaws weren't meant to replace the bowsaw-style hacksaw, but to complement it. Without looking the page up again, it said something about using the these saws in places or for deeper cuts where the framed saws can't go.

    You are probably scarred by experience of modern hacksaws, with their flimsy frames and the absolute rubbish that passes for blades these days. Once upon a fairy-tale, hacksaws were used a lot, and manufacturers knew how to make decent blades that actually cut straight & lasted (can you imagine?!). A decent saw with a decent blade is actually capable of quite accurate cutting, even in my semi-skilled hands.....

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    Enjoyed hamdling some of your saws and looking thru your catalogs Paul. Got home a little before 1 this morning. Trip went well

    Dave TTC
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    Since we're on the subject of hacksaws momentarily please permit me to inject some new learnings that I've had. This is the best hacksaw I've ever used.



    No longer made of course. The blade is from a large lot of older and excellent Simonds (continuing the thrust of the thread) blades that I acquired knowing that the more recent imported blades are useless. The frame looks awkward at first but take it from me that it's a great tool and very easy to use for making excellent cuts.
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    Rob

    I can see the strength and rigidity in that frame. I have a Simonds hacksaw frame but it is much earlier and nowhere as good as that looks.

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    Paul,

    The position of the blade between the first two fingers of the driving hand is what does it for me. Easily the most controllable and useful hacksaw frame I've ever used. Beats by miles the straight handle and pinkie finger blade level frames. Strange that this is the only frame I've ever come across with this geometry. Must've been expensive in their day.
    I paid about $50US for each of the three frames I have. The purchase of the first was out of curiosity and dissatisfaction with other frames I've used. No second thoughts or hesitation after I got the first taste, I knew I needed (wanted really) more. The 10" is my favorite because of it's superior balance.
    The Simonds blades are the bees knees, they cut stainless like it's not stainless.

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    Matt

    This is the manufacturing process a la Disston. I hope it works as this is my second attempt. I couldn't load the pix first time around as the way I saved them was seemingly an incompatible format. I am not superstitious but fingers crossed:

    1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P1.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P2.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P3.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P4.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P5.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P6.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P7.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P8.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P9.png1917 Disston Handbook On Saws. Sawmaking P10.png

    I trust they have come up in the right order. I have page numbered them in case of mishaps. When I load pix they seem to do a Miss World on me (no,no, don't concern yourselves, it's something I can talk about) and announce themselves in reverse order. Do they still have Miss World contests? Do any of you remember them? It's takes me back to the "Stiletto" saw thread .

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    "Stiffened" saw blades are my new horizon.

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    Paul,

    Thanks for the additional information. I think I may have a line on the stiffening step. Re-tempering appears to bring the blades to a higher state of tune. I don't have much more than a first impression at this point but I'm planning more work to follow up my observations.

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    After having interloped a bit of Disston into this exclusively Simonds thread, I had better try to restore a semblance of order.

    Just every so often I come across some relatively mind blowing information and that is what happened two days ago..

    I finally acquired a 1903 Simonds catalogue and it was most interesting. Firstly, it’s format is noticeably different to the later catalogues up until the demise of handsaw production in 1926. So far as I know this is the only catalogue depicting handsaws and featuring the Crescent Moon and Star logo. The 1907 catalogue shows the more common Simonds manufacturing medallion and the revised Simonds banner style logo.

    However, it is the saws themselves which are intriguiging: I have mentioned before that the saws with the metal lower guard to the handle don’t feature in any catalogues. I now have to retract that as first up the catalogue makes a special mention of these saws that have the “A” suffix to the model number and there are four listed: 4A, 5A, 7A and 8A.

    Simonds 1903 catalogue 001.jpg


    The next revelation is the existence of a No.6 saw.: Never seen or heard of one before so I will be on the lookout for that (along with several other thousand saw enthusiasts; Ok. I know, I must have been told a million times not to exaggerate). I had often mused as to why there was a gap in the numbering system. Now I know why.

    Simonds 1903 catalogue 002.jpg

    It is my guess it was discontinued because it was too similar to the No.5 and No.7 which were priced either side of it and possibly the customer was not overly impressed with the blue finish. It is not clear whether it was a blue paint.

    As you can see, it was a blue blade, although I would not expect the blue to survive the one hundred and thirteen year time frame. It was not the only blue blade that Simonds produced. The Bay State No.24, which appears in the 1903 and 1907 catalogues, but was discontinued by the time of the 1910 catalogue, was blue. I have a No.24 on the way, but have not yet taken possession yet so I will be interested to see if there is any trace of the blue left (maybe under the handle).

    Simonds 1903 catalogue 005.jpg

    The “third level” Osceola also was blue but by the 1910 catalogue was a polished steel blade.

    Simonds 1903 catalogue 006.jpg


    The next anomaly was the No.9. Some of you may recall that this saw has eluded me so far. Here it has extended it’s mystique, particularly for me. In this 1903 catalogue it is a dead ringer for the No.10 right down to the lambs tongue handle and placement of medallion and saw screws.

    In every other catalogue I have seen (1907, 1910, 1912, 1916 and 1919) the No.9 is identical to the No.8 except that it is a narrow saw whereas the No.8 is a regular or full depth saw.

    So what is the difference between the No.9 and No.10 of the 1903 catalogue, apart from one dollar per dozen saws in price? There is one, which I hasten to add I failed to spot, but Hawkeye (formerly know as DaveTTC), who managed to coincide a lightening visit with the arrival of the care consignment from the US, spotted it immediately.
    From the 1903 catalogue

    Simonds 1903 catalogue 003.jpgSimonds 1903 catalogue 004.jpg

    From succeeding catalogues with the No.9 looking like a slimeline No.8

    Simonds 1919 catalogue No.9 saw.jpgSimonds 1919 catalogue No.8 saw.jpg


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    Your pictures didn't work.
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    Yes, I know. Extremely frustrating. I am currently trying to glue my hair back on. I am hoping I have resolved the issue.

    I have resolved the pix issue, but am still wrestling with the hair. There are some strands I have no idea where they went.

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    The No.10 saw itself had three different versions. The early saws in 1903 and 1907 had lambs tongue handles and the medallion placed one up from the bottom.

    Simonds 1903 catalogue 003.jpg

    Then the handle went to a more standard pattern with the medallion placed in the lowest position, between 1910 and 1919.

    Simonds 1919 catalogue No.10 saw.jpg

    In the last catalogue from 1923 the medallion reverted to one from the bottom again.

    Simonds 1923 catalogue No.10 saw.jpg

    The No.10 evolved more than any of the other models. Apart from the handle changes, at some point it changed from being a full depth saw to a "medium" width saw. Incidentally, it was always priced at the same level as the Bay State No.25 and No.26 saws. It was a straight back like the No.26.

    The Bay State No.24, which only features in the 1903 and 1907 catalogues was a touch more expensive, possibly because it's handles were made from cherry. The No.25 and No.26 had Birch handles and the No.10 Beech.

    This lot was originally in the previous post, but the pix wouldn't load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob streeper View Post
    "Stiffened" saw blades are my new horizon.

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    Rob

    I wasn't sure if this was in connection to the ring tone or the Miss world contest. Actually I am still not sure .

    The other day when Dave TTC called in on his way back from collecting a new vehicle (as I said at the time Dave, it's a bloody beauty) we grabbed a handful of saw plates and tried "flicking" them to evaluate from the tone. Dave was particularly good a doing the "S" thing with the blade and making them sing, something I have never been good at.

    We were looking for a clear note rather than a particular level. Quite interesting.

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