Thread: Stanley 45 Question

Originally Posted by Twisted Tenon

Not to hijack another thread
I picked up a 45 at the tool show at Asquith recently. It looks to be a type 7-8 and it looks to be in good shape. While doing some research on Patrick's Blood & Gore site I came across 45 bottoms. I have never heard of these and wonder are they necessary?

TT

One of the problems that a Stanley 45 shares with other multi planes, is the fact that they are open designs - ie they have no mouths. Now this is fine much of the time, but can cause the timber to split ahead of the blade, as there is no mouth to hold it in place.
The wooden H & R moulding planes had this advantage over the multi planes until Stanley introduced the hollows and rounds bottoms for theirs - another marketing opportunity for Stanley.
They don't seem to be common so may not have sold in great numbers.
They can be comparatively expensive to acquire when they do come up.
Cheers
SG

Yup, there's one here for $99.00

TT

I don't think you need them. You would also need the irons for them if you did get them. Learn to use the plane as it is. You could buy a used 1/2 set of H and Rs for less money then what these would set you back.

Originally Posted by msiemsen

I don't think you need them. You would also need the irons for them if you did get them. Learn to use the plane as it is. You could buy a used 1/2 set of H and Rs for less money then what these would set you back.

Hi msiemsen
Yes I was surprised to find out about these bottoms. Just showing my ignorance here, but what are H&R's?

TT

Hollows and Rounds

Can someone (SG?) tell me which is which? Does the 'round' refer to the blade shape or the workpiece profile?

Originally Posted by NCArcher

Hollows and Rounds

Can someone (SG?) tell me which is which? Does the 'round' refer to the blade shape or the workpiece profile?

Hollows are hollow and rounds are round.
It is the shape of the sole that determines the name.
Here are some of Terry Gordon's H & R's
Cheers
SG

http://www.hntgordon.com.au/hollowsandrounds.htm

Hollows and rounds are used to create custom moulding profiles. Obviously, the user has to know what they are doing. The 45 hollow and round attachments are obscenely over priced. It is far more cost effective to buy and old set of dedicated hollow and round planes. I don't know what they sell for in Australia but they are cheap in Canada. Trick is finding a set that still has some life left in it.

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Originally Posted by Scribbly Gum

Hollows are hollow and rounds are round.
It is the shape of the sole that determines the name.
Here are some of Terry Gordon's H & R's
Cheers
SG

HNT Gordon - Hollows and Rounds

Thanks Tom

Anant.

I know, some people don't like the quality of their stuff. Others do.

I did discover a few minutes ago that they make a version of the Stanley 45, and sell the blades separately, for those of you who might need new blades and can't afford those from Clifton.

I've emailed them to see if they have an Australian distributor and to see if they will sell the blades direct to customers in Australia.

I'll let you guys know how I go.

Craig

I wouldn't bother about using the bottoms with the 45.

The bottoms will just add extra setup bothers. Better to get a whole set of wooden H&R.

I'd just use the 45 for fence like cuts. And make sure the grains straight and soft.

The stanley 45 imo is actually easier to bead with than a wooden plane because it has no complete sole...sharpening is easier.

goodluck. I really enjoy using handplanes.