Thread: "working" storage for backsaws?

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

Lance

If you just want the saw on your bench but not taking up space, make up a small block of wood with a kerf in it. A bit like this, but a piece of 50 x 50 will do the job:



However, they are prone to being knocked off the bench more easily so you may need to consider how you use this method.

Regards
Paul

Thanks for the thought Paul. My normal saw storage is on my tool cabinet under the left edge of my bench, and is just a block with a saw kerf per saw. The issue is that it takes time to line up the blade adequately for it to drop into the slot.



I know, were talking 15 seconds or so to stash the saw, but do that twenty times an hour and it really breaks the flow of what I'm doing, because it takes concentration to accomplish, which breaks my targeted concentration on what I'm doing.

Gosh, just writing that makes me sound like a spoiled child just looking for something to complain about. None the less, it bothers me so will see if I can circumvent it.

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Andrew, if you wish to debate this ...



Derek

Sure why not but don't think for a second that I don't have a lifetime of experience in working in a shed and making stuff, working in commercial production environments and even being involved in the development of production lines.

So what if your woodworking consists of solely box making and you NEVER work large boards, surely having your saws where Paul does is far superior to having them 10 feet away.

So what if you have a second bench or some other fixture for holding large boards, surely having your saws where Paul does is far superior to having them 10 feet away.

So what if your bench is in the middle of your workshop and you can clamp large boards to the other side on the rare occasion its needed, surely having your saws where Paul does is far superior to having them 10 feet away.

So what if your vice is not flush with the bench edge and you have some sort of block to space out your long boards past the saw holders, surely having your saws where Paul does is far superior to having them 10 feet away.

So what if your bench is long enough that you can clamp long boards going the opposite direction, surely having your saws where Paul does is far superior to having them 10 feet away.

Debating the merits of which idea is better or worse is a pointless exercise. For every reasons Paul's is a good one you could find one to say its bad, and the same for your suggestion, or likely any other suggestion on almost any topic your care to mention.

Anyway I will leave it there.

Cheers Andrew

Friends,

I'm obviously light years ahead of you all without even trying. I have such a small space that my saw till is probably closer to me at all times than most of you are to the far end of your bench

But I agree whether a 10ft walk is undesirable depends entirely on your workflow, and what you are giving up. Imagine if someone constantly took your marking knife and combination square and put them 10ft away?

Originally Posted by LanceC

and thanks for the pictures of the kumiko

Originally Posted by IanW

The most common saw retainer I've seen is a turnbuckle on a cleat that fits neatly inside the handle, like I use for the saws in my tool cupboard drawers:
Right door.jpg

An even simpler hanger can be made by working a deep groove in the top of a cleat that fits snugly to the inner curve of the grip. The saw just goes over the cleat & sits down in the groove.
Door Rt.jpg

funny
dad's "solution" to this "problem" was a pair of nails -- I don't recall the size -- driven at a slight angle into a window sill or a board screwed to the wall.

not as elegant as a formed cleat but as practical and also super easy

Originally Posted by ian

.....not as elegant as a formed cleat but as practical and also super easy...

Ian, I think nails make eminently practical hangers too - parts of my walls are festooned with them. But I beg to differ on their practicality for securing objects inside doors. Saws hanging on nails would rattle & bump around every time the door was opened & closed, or worse, fall off if opened too quickly. That's why I went to the extra trouble of making holders that hold them steady (and because I'm a fussy old git with too much time on my hands..).


Mr. Sellers used screws (even easier to place with his battery driver), but as you see, he had to devise his little cam-lock to keep the saws from hopping off while he's thumping around on the bench.

Horses for courses...

Cheers,

Originally Posted by ian

and thanks for the pictures of the kumiko

No problem, though that is my wife's effort for a joint project we're working on. I was working on the right hand end of my bench this weekend.

Originally Posted by LanceC

Lance, that is a good result ... and a really nice, warm work space. I love the light you get through the window, and the atmosphere it creates.

Regards from Perth

Derek (deeper in a cavern)

Originally Posted by AJ.

Maybe have a look at Paul Sellers solution Saw Hangers | Paul Sellers - YouTube

Cheers Andrew

Usually I like what Paul Sellers has to say and demonstrate, but I think this is a really dumb suggestion and breaches many basic concepts of work place safety.

• exposed saw teeth hanging below the apron,
• bump the saws and they may fall teeth first towards your toes,
• when saw is in use the hanging screws are just ready to gouge legs,
• cannot use apron for its design purpose, etc.

Essentially, an unsafe idea. And I am a Paul Sellers fan!

Originally Posted by GraemeCook

....Essentially, an unsafe idea. And I am a Paul Sellers fan!....

Graeme, I probably shouldn't prolong this particular theme any longer, but having watched a few Sellers videos, he doesn't seem to work at that end of his bench very often (he's apparently not a fan of tail vises), so hanging his saws where he only steps over to pick up or replace them is not as great a hazard as it might be to someone like myself, who uses the full front of the bench. And in a climate where shorts & T-shirts are de rigeur, my lower limbs would indeed be frequently lacerated. In cooler climes, most folks have some fabric to snag the saws rather than bare skin.

I do wear my Qld safety-shoes most of the time (my cast-off running shoes), so if a saw decided to plunge straight down at an inopportune moment, there shouldn't be more than a quarter-cup of blood spilt...

Cheers,

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Lance, that is a good result ... and a really nice, warm work space. I love the light you get through the window, and the atmosphere it creates.

Regards from Perth

Derek (deeper in a cavern)

Thanks Derek, it is a very relaxing and therapeutic place to be. I used to have my bench almost in the middle of the shed with my back to a wall of shelves so that I could look out across the shed.

After seeing some photos of people's benches against a window I was curious, but not convinced. Then during April this year I shuffled things around to give it a try. Ironically, it felt clostraphobic at first as I was facing a wall all the time, despite the two big windows.

Six months on though, I love it. It faces East, so any direct sunlight is not much of an issue as most of my shed time is in the afternoon and evening (one of the issues of lower latitudes is that for much of the year eaves simply don't provide shade). Just a lovely warm glow of natural light.

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Oh dear!
I feel guilty now of "saw abuse" as I just hang my closed tote tenon saw on a rusty nail within hands reach - my bench backs onto a wooden wall.
It's also the permanent storage but I then put a plastic protector (=A4 paper spline clamp) onto the teeth.

Haha Paul,

I was going to suggest in my original post that I was considering drilling a hole in the top of the plate and just hang it on the wall. I think however that there are several forum members who, travel restrictions be damned, would have driven to the southern coast, hopped in their rowing boat, crossed the Bass Strait, walked the length of Tasmania to my house and confiscated all my saws. So I didn’t mention it. [emoji6]

Originally Posted by LanceC

Haha Paul,

I was going to suggest in my original post that I was considering drilling a hole in the top of the plate and just hang it on the wall. I think however that there are several forum members who, travel restrictions be damned, would have driven to the southern coast, hopped in their rowing boat, crossed the Bass Strait, walked the length of Tasmania to my house and confiscated all my saws. So I didn’t mention it. [emoji6]

Lance

Not quite sure why I feel obliged to respond: Could it be a guilt complex? Do I feel the subject of derision?

I just hang them on the wall so they are close to hand.


Actually only some of them.



Confiscation? That's like appropriation isn't it? What saws do you have? What's your address? Will you be away this weekend?

Regards
Paul

Ps: Only pm me the address as my boat is slow and I don't want some wippersnapper overtakng me in their power boat.