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Thread: How do you test sharpness?
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15th May 2007, 02:32 AM #1
How do you test sharpness?
Over the years, I've read about many different techniques for sharpening plane irons and chisels. I have tried most of them but for speed and effectiveness, oilstones give me the best result. Part of the reason why there are so many theories/methods is that there is no universal consisent method of testing sharpness. I use to use the hair shaving on arms technique. I'd have to say that this was a pretty reasonable guide for evaluating sharpness, but I soon ran out of hair to test with . I found the thumbnail/pen test (where you rest the edge on a pen and then see if it sticks or skids) inconclusive because even moderately sharp tools would catch, in other words I couldn't distinguish between very sharp and just sharp. Heard it said that if you can pare endgrain of pine, then you have a sharp edge. I only have construction grade radiata pine and even my sharpest edge pares but tends to tear the fibres as well. After a while you can determine how sharp an edge is by lightly stroking the edge but I haven't got to that stage yet. So what do others use as their test?
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15th May 2007, 11:34 AM #21/16"
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Thumb nail and experience.
The first shaving or paring will tell you if it is sharp
After 30 or so yrs I have changed to water stones with a veratis guide and leather strop as the best and quickest way to sharpen.Don't force it, use a bigger hammer.
Timber is what you use. Wood is what you burn.
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15th May 2007, 11:43 AM #3
Don't laugh, but I use tissue paper.
I do all my sharpening free-hand on water stones, and after going through the various grits, I use tissue paper to wipe off the water before giving the blade/chisel a coat of oil. I then bunch the tissue paper into a ball, and lightly swipe the cutting edge across the top of the tissue ball. How deep it cuts in very quickly tells me whether it's sharp, or I've got more work to do. Even dull blades will cut, but the ease and depth of cut into the damp bunched tissue paper is a good indication. Bit gay I know, but it works for me.
Des
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15th May 2007, 01:52 PM #4
The several sheets of newspaper folded several times to make a decent solid rounded edge. If it slices nicely, it is pretty good. If it tears a bit it needs more work.
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15th May 2007, 02:18 PM #5
I sharpen so the edge shaves hairs off my arm like a razor. Then chop into some redgum using a mallet.
If after doing that and the edges still shaves hairs.....then its sharp for me.I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Albert Einstein
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15th May 2007, 02:58 PM #6
Yup but if it wont shave hair, it's not sharp enough. At least if it does that, you know you have crossed the threshold into really sharp territory.
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15th May 2007, 03:16 PM #71/16"
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According to Leonard Lee's Guide To Sharpening.
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In the last 2000 years, western civilization has used at least three standard references for sharpness. For the first 1,500 yrs, the standard was a serpent's tooth. As serpents went out of vogue, the expression became "sharp as a tack," a modern equivalent of the serpent's tooth. For the last 100 yrs or more, both "sharp as a tack" and "sharp as a razor blade" have served as standards in every day speech. Since there is little call for tools that just puncture wood, both the serpents tooth and the tack can be set aside as standards in woodworking. The razor blade makes a more useful reference standard.Don't force it, use a bigger hammer.
Timber is what you use. Wood is what you burn.
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15th May 2007, 03:19 PM #8
And then he goes on to show some electron micrographs of razor blades that look anything but sharp...
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15th May 2007, 03:30 PM #9
I just pare along the grain of some clear grade pine, the amount of force will tell you how sharp... the easier the sharper.
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15th May 2007, 06:30 PM #10
I just look at it end-on... any "gleam" on the edge and it ain't sharp enough.
I've given up trying to get an edge that'll split an atom or even only circumcise a low-flying gnat, the slight gain that I get from it just isn't worth the time it takes me to get it there... I much prefer to spend more time using a tool than sharpening it.
- Andy Mc
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15th May 2007, 07:04 PM #11
Oh Shivers! Lets see how hot this one gets!
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15th May 2007, 07:13 PM #12
I test plane and chisel blades the same way I test Knives.
Take a piece of paper, I use printer paper, run the blade along the top edge of the paper while holding it in the air, if the blade is sharp it will slice off a piece of paper approx 10mm wide with little effort. If you want to compare it to something to get an idea of sharpness, take a new stanley knife blade and slice off a few strips of paper, if your plane iron can slice paper like a stanley knife or razor blade you know it is as sharp as it needs to be.If it goes against the grain, it's being rubbed the wrong way!
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15th May 2007, 08:46 PM #13
I'm with Skew, and over sharpening (if that's possible) is probably simply loosing metal.
soth
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15th May 2007, 11:46 PM #14
Hone to a fine edge on an 8000 grit waterstone.
Then hammer into concrete with a sledge hammer.
Then if it will still shave hair off the back of your cat's neck it's prob sharp.
GWWhere you see a tree, I see 3 cubic metres of timber, milled and dressed.
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16th May 2007, 12:02 AM #15
I recon all the various methods of determining sharpness have their own inherant validity.
But, It's the observation and the subjective feel that will tell you what you want to know.
How easily or cleanly it does waht ever it does what ever you do to test your edge.
What is missing is some for of reference sharpness.
The utility kife blade has been mentioned, but they vary from brand to brand.
I would argue that the WISS brand blades are sharper than the stanley branded blades.
Then you will get the 2 billion gritt sharpening looonies who will point out that a utility knife blade isn't all that sharp at all.
cheersAny thing with sharp teeth eats meat.
Most powertools have sharp teeth.
People are made of meat.
Abrasives can be just as dangerous as a blade.....and 10 times more painfull.
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