Thread: The ultimate tool reference book

If are a member of a public library, ie a council library, you can arrange an inter-library loan through your library and via the Trove website (tick the "no charge box"), and have a look for free.

There are multiple copies of this book around Australian lending libraries.

mike

Thanks Andy and Mike

I will put an order in at the local library (before the rest of the forum gets on the bandwagon . )

Regards
Paul

Hi Paul

Before you go ...
The procedure here in Brissie at least, is that you have to be a member of a council library, then you log on to the Council Library website, then via their website, use the link to Inter-library Loans, then chose the website "Trove", using a special access logon.
I normally do all this from home; your library staff may do it for you.

Then search for the book within Trove (which is really a catalog of all (most) Australian library catalogs, but managed by The National Library of Australia).
When the results page appears, chose a copy and version of the book which is in a "lending public library" in the context of inter-library loans, as distinct from a "non-lending" or Reference Library.
(Books etc are not actually labelled as such within Trove; you just have to know about it. Have a chat with your library staff).
You will see that for each result book or "item", there is a linkbox to "In xx libraries".
Most Council libraries are lending libraries, and some State Libraries lend certain books. I mostly chose Council Libraries to maximise my probability of a successful loan.
Dont bother with Uni and specialist libraries, as your chances of a loan are minimal to none, and all your ordering work will be wasted.

Then Trove will steer you thru their online loan sheet, and you maybe nominate the pickup library, if you live in a big city with multiple council libraries.
Ensure you "tick" the box for "no charge" loans, else you may be liable for a standard charge of about $12 (eg most State Libraries charge this, and I sometimes pay it if it is pension week and I am desperate for the item).
This is because you don't specify that you want a book from a particular council library, you just specify the book, and the NLA staff make their own inquiries as to which library will loan the item out.

Then you wait about ten days or so for the book to be delivered to your library by the fairy book deliverer.
You may incur a loan fee of 50 cents per book; this is an online ordering fee sometimes charged by some libraries.

Ask your library staff if this is their preferred method.
They may do all this for you.
Your library will have info for Inter-Library Loans on their website

While you are waiting, have another look in Trove for all sorts of things.
Search on your name, your family name, your school, your work, ancestors, town, favourite old movies and books, etc etc, and see what turns up in results, digitised newspapers and photos etc.
I assure you that you will find something!
Truly amazing website.
Dont bother trying to borrow a movie; I have done it, but mostly only if it is eg a specific subject and for personal research. Probability of a loan is .05 (5%). "Stars Wars" is impossible, but I did get "Back Of Beyond once (Tom Kruse).

Hope that this helps without stunning you with process and detail.
I worked for a government authority in aviation - I am used to it!

And so to bed.

cheerio, mike

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...n-1399714.html

Originally Posted by mike48

Hi Paul

Before you go ...
The procedure here in Brissie at least, is that you have to be a member of a council library, then you log on to the Council Library website, then via their website, use the link to Inter-library Loans, then chose the website "Trove", using a special access logon.
I normally do all this from home; your library staff may do it for you.

Then search for the book within Trove (which is really a catalog of all (most) Australian library catalogs, but managed by The National Library of Australia).
When the results page appears, chose a copy and version of the book which is in a "lending public library" in the context of inter-library loans, as distinct from a "non-lending" or Reference Library.
(Books etc are not actually labelled as such within Trove; you just have to know about it. Have a chat with your library staff).
You will see that for each result book or "item", there is a linkbox to "In xx libraries".
Most Council libraries are lending libraries, and some State Libraries lend certain books. I mostly chose Council Libraries to maximise my probability of a successful loan.
Dont bother with Uni and specialist libraries, as your chances of a loan are minimal to none, and all your ordering work will be wasted.

Then Trove will steer you thru their online loan sheet, and you maybe nominate the pickup library, if you live in a big city with multiple council libraries.
Ensure you "tick" the box for "no charge" loans, else you may be liable for a standard charge of about $12 (eg most State Libraries charge this, and I sometimes pay it if it is pension week and I am desperate for the item).
This is because you don't specify that you want a book from a particular council library, you just specify the book, and the NLA staff make their own inquiries as to which library will loan the item out.

Then you wait about ten days or so for the book to be delivered to your library by the fairy book deliverer.
You may incur a loan fee of 50 cents per book; this is an online ordering fee sometimes charged by some libraries.

Ask your library staff if this is their preferred method.
They may do all this for you.
Your library will have info for Inter-Library Loans on their website

While you are waiting, have another look in Trove for all sorts of things.
Search on your name, your family name, your school, your work, ancestors, town, favourite old movies and books, etc etc, and see what turns up in results, digitised newspapers and photos etc.
I assure you that you will find something!
Truly amazing website.
Dont bother trying to borrow a movie; I have done it, but mostly only if it is eg a specific subject and for personal research. Probability of a loan is .05 (5%). "Stars Wars" is impossible, but I did get "Back Of Beyond once (Tom Kruse).

Hope that this helps without stunning you with process and detail.
I worked for a government authority in aviation - I am used to it!

And so to bed.

cheerio, mike

Mike

Thank you for all that. Amazing. I am a member and regular user of our local library. In the past they have done all that for me, but the staff have changed a little and I haven't tested how personna grata I am with the new crew .

Regards
Paul

Thanks Paul for the obituary of RS.

Regards
Paul

I use Trove a lot for searching old newspapers, learnt a lot about some of my ancestors. For finding books in libraries, I think Worldcat is better. See the search results for Salaman:

Dictionary of tools used in the woodworking and allied trades, c. 1700-1970 (Book, 1975) [WorldCat.org]

I have a copy so no need for borrowing, by the way the 1st ed is virtually identical to the 2nd.

Local libraries have different inter-library loan policies - and costs. Mine charges $2.50 per title or $15.70 for borrowing from a major library (ie, state, museum, or university). If you are a student/academic the cost is usually $0 at a uni library. Years ago University of Sydney extended full library privileges to graduates, now you pay a lot of money for very limited privileges (and no inter-library loans). Miserable corporatised b*****ds, but other instituations may have more enlightened policies. Sometimes rarer (not necessarily valuable) books from a major library can only be read in the local library itself - no borrowing.

You can always read the book in the library of course, difficult if it is in another state.

Local libraries will often purchase (usually recently published) books if requested, my council library has purchased > 50 books I have suggested, rejecting only very specialised titles. Librarians desperately want input from locals. However many of the interesting titles are not available from the Australian supplier the libraries use; this particularly appplies to DVDs, eg those from Fine WoodWorking, Popular Woodworking, and most US woodworking providers. If the DVD is available on say the Dymocks website you may have a chance; the end of Borders has also reduced the buying scope of libraries.

Cheers
Peter

Hi again, still,

ref interlibrary loans via National Library of Aust (NLA) and Trove.
Forgot to add -

If you order online from home.
Although you get an email confirming your loan request, you dont hear again from NLA again via your personal email acct.
If you are successful in the request, the book arrives at your nominated library.
If you are unsuccessful, your library gets an email outlining the reasons for failure, and you can ask them for progress when visiting.

And, as an aside, as a few of you seem to use Trove (inter alia) digitised newspapers for history, family history etc, if you are in QLD get a State Library membership (can join online), and you get online access to the British "The Times" archive. Free, from home.
Should be able to arrange similar thru most State Libraries.

cheerio, mike

Well, I'm pleased to say the book came through at my local library. My contact, who had been seconded temporarily to another location, returned and inside of two weeks had sourced the book and emailed me that it had arrived. Good old-fashioned sevice with a delightful smile .

Interestingly, although the book was readily available, she had to try several locations until she found one that permitted the book to be removed from the library. I have it in my possession now.

An amazing book. Well worth the effort if you are even half way interested in old hand tools. I also noticed that it is available though Amazon for about $40 plus postage.

Regards
Paul

I usually use AbeBooks.com for books, never found them dearer than Amazon, in fact some of their new books from the UK, as in the Book Depository, are really seriously cheap by comparison, as for Australian prices, not a hope in getting my custom.

Abe books found a seller of a second hand ex library book for $20.92 USD delivered to your door, worth considering.

r a salaman - Dictionary of Woodworking tools - AbeBooks

Mick.

Hey guys,

It may be worth looking at Booko.com before you order anything online via Abebooks or book depository. Booko collates prices from a number of sites for the title requested inc but not limited to Amazon, book depository, Abe books & various chain book stores.

One last piece of advice given the strength of our dollar versus the GBP & the US Greenback I order books from bookdepository.com and not bookdepository.co.uk as the prices can differ by up to $5.00 ! It may be stating the obvious but anyway, there you go.

Cheers,

Scott

I was fortunate enough to get a copy for Christmas this year. Well worth having. It's the sort of book you can pick up, open to any page and then get lost browsing.