Ward and Payne handplane

**skratbag** · 11th December 2007, 09:11 PM

Hi All,

I've scored myself (as my first wooden handplane), a Ward and Payne jointer plane. I'm don't believe it is original, I think it may have been fiddled with quite considerably. It has a brass sliding plate on the sole, does anybody know if this was a standard feature of these planes? It has a mixture of components, I think they were all reputable manufacturers however, mix and match is the order of the day.

The chipbreaker is Cox and Luckman
The blade is Alex Mathieson
The body of the plane is Ward and Payne

Just wondering what the best way of cleaning it all up would be

. I think I need a new blade and any pointers to a source of these would be appreciated.

Also, I can't find much about Ward and Payne, are they one of the better English Plane makers?

Please excuse the dovetails, my first go with my jig and I still have to get it right

Thanks and regards

**thumbsucker** · 11th December 2007, 10:36 PM

Follow this link for good instruction in cleaning the wood.

The blade looks still OK - you just need to flatten it and sharpen it. It would be hard to find an exacting matching blade and chipbreaker, that would fit with the wedge. You can trowel the old tool markets often they have boxes full of old blades, that can be retrofitted. You may need to adjust the wedge.

See this article on lapping / flattening the back.

Where is your wedge I do not see it in the photos I assume it came with a wedge.

You will also need to check for how flat and square the body and sole is. See this article for some tips.

That should cover the basics - and if you are lucky it should work.

If not post back and their are lots of threads and people aimed at fixing all sorts of problem your plane may have.

**sumu** · 12th December 2007, 05:46 AM

Hello,

I have made handplanes with adjustable mouth plate made of brass.

I adapted the material design from a antique wooden handplane resembling very much of your plane. It was described years ago in some german woodworking publication describing different kind of mechanical adjustments there has been in woodworking planes. As I would recall, the actual brand was not revealed, they were mainly concentrating on german style woodies. Anyway, I understood that there was an original design in question. But of course I'm just guessing here.

There seems to be text "warranted" in the cap iron. It's a generic sheffieldish term of that era (Ward and Payne was Sheffield company), implying to subcontracted component which was further on stamped with a manufacturer's logo. Pre-war german steel was subcontracted in a similar manner, the tool blankos imported to english speaking countries were labelled with only a text "Germany". Actual sales brand stamps were added later. The concept of OEM is not that new invention

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Here is some information on Ward and Payne.
http://www.shef.ac.uk/hawley/project...and-payne.html

kippis,

sumu

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