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    Default Achtung! Herr Oberkrauttoolmeister Damien Hazo leben in Deutschland...

    Dear Damien,

    Thanks in advance for showing up .

    Moved to a state of moisty-eyedness by the way you wear your heart on your sleeve in your averment of affection for your TK 1256 in your sig, I’ve been poking around for a little more information on the the Metabo Magnum range of sawbenches in general...

    A Google or two dozen later, I found myself looking at a page that popped up from somewhere deep within the vast labyrinthine e-bowels of the global Metabo website:

    http://www.metabo.com/metabo/com/en/..._01693_00.html

    Following careful perusal of the information contained therein, a few questions now beg, and you appear to be the most qualified krauttoolmeister to answer them since you seem to have one of these babies - sans sliding carriage - parked against the side wall of your Showroom cum Museum - cough, cough - I mean workshop ... The questions are fuelled by my ongoing quest to find a portable (as in two-man lift), quiet (as in induction motor), and accurate (as in preferably not sheet-metal table), 10" (or greater) Table Saw. The TKU 1693 certainly seems to tick a few boxes in these regards. My questions to you are thus:

    1) Does Metabo still make the TKU 1693? (or does the link only still exist because they have simply lost control of so vast a website...)

    2) The spiel on the webpage reads "Anodized tables made of die-cast aluminium", yet the machine in the photo on the link appears to have tables that are made of aluminium extrusions, albeit probably anodized. What is the truth of the matter?

    3) Given that the unit is also a "flush-cutter", there is a lot of lateral discontinuity in the table surface at the lengthy blade slot, that methinks could lead to significant deflection under load. So if extrusions are used, how is the surface for flatness - especially around the blade when there’s a heavy lump of lumber beside it?

    4) Is Metabo on-the-money when they state that the thing only weighs 60kg without it’s attachments? And does it actually have the said "Pull-out handles for convenient transportation"?

    5) What’s the fence like?

    6) Any particular weaknesses of note in the machine’s operation and accuracy?

    7) How many Reichsmarks do they ask for them?

    8) Can you think of anything else over there that’s in the same class, without necessarily being a "flush-cutter"?

    9) What's the biggest blade you could shoe-horn into that TK 1256 of yours, even if you couldn't wind the whole blade back down below the table surface? (although it is probably limited mainly by where and how the riving knife attaches to the trunnion...)

    10) In a similar vein, have you ever been able to look inside a Scheppach TS2000 or 2010 with an eye to dropping in a bigger blade? (sort of like a 351 in an Escort, or a 427 in a Capri...)

    See what you think...

    Danke Damien,
    Batpig.

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    Batpig,
    I had the made in Taiwan knock off version of it from Carbatec. It was okay, way better than the Taiwanese and Chinese versions of American style table and contractor style saws but a bit tinny. I think mine weighed in at about 250kg gross. It was long enough to cross cut a 1200 sheet and I struggled to rip 2400 sheets. Mine had a scribing blade and didn't have the ability to move the blade forward and back. No doubt the real deal would be lots better but I don't think you'll get one into the country for a sane amount of money even assuming they are still made. I sold it to a low - volume cabinetmaker who's happy with it and replaced it with a 2nd hand full size panel saw with which I'm extremely happy.

    Mick
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    tomorrow you will have paid for it and not have it."

    - Henry Ford 1938

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    Hi Mick,

    And thanks for the input. 250kg for the clone! Can't see how the real thing can possibly weigh in at 60kg, but we'll see what Herr Hazo has to say...

    I feel a bit like Linus in the Pumpkin Patch, or Kevin Costner in that movie where those voices kept saying to him "Type it, and he will come..."

    Cheerio,
    Batpig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    1) Does Metabo still make the TKU 1693? (or does the link only still exist because they have simply lost control of so vast a website...)
    This is one of the few Magnum machines they still make. It was/is called an Elektra Beckum/Metabo PKU 250 LINK (short) LINK (180cm)
    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    2) The spiel on the webpage reads "Anodized tables made of die-cast aluminium", yet the machine in the photo on the link appears to have tables that are made of aluminium extrusions, albeit probably anodized. What is the truth of the matter?
    Mine has aluminium extrusions with sacrificial leading edges. This means the aluminium left and right of the blade can be fine adjusted and replaced if/when damaged without the cost of the whole table.

    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    3) Given that the unit is also a "flush-cutter", there is a lot of lateral discontinuity in the table surface at the lengthy blade slot, that methinks could lead to significant deflection under load. So if extrusions are used, how is the surface for flatness - especially around the blade when there’s a heavy lump of lumber beside it?
    It's a format saw designed to handle things like doors and ply. The top alu extrusions are profiled and allow for little or no flex. The long slot is of course to allow for pulling the saw blade through the workpiece when this is more practical than sliding with the sled. The beauty of these machines is the adjustment facility on just about everything. If it isn't square, you can usually adjust it quickly. You can't see it in the link but there is a downwards leg on the bottom runner's end of the 180cm sled. This has a diagonal that locks into the back of the table to add strength when weights are out on the sled's extremities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    4) Is Metabo on-the-money when they state that the thing only weighs 60kg without it’s attachments? And does it actually have the said "Pull-out handles for convenient transportation"?
    60kg? Perhaps if you disconnect the sled and the extension tables. Yes it does have handles. They recess into the machine when not in use. The base also has a lever that cams the wheels down for easy moving within the workshop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    5) What’s the fence like?
    Good I think. I've never used mine. Saw it in eBay for 799 Euro with the scouring attachment and couldn't resist. Overhauled it and put it in the corner. Snapped up a few lovely attachments at prices that will make you cry over the years as well...

    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    6) Any particular weaknesses of note in the machine’s operation and accuracy?
    See answer 5)

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    7) How many Reichsmarks do they ask for them?
    I see them regularly in eBay second hand for about AUD1700 - 2000

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    8) Can you think of anything else over there that’s in the same class, without necessarily being a "flush-cutter"?
    I am totally biased. I love the Magnum range as do many others and was most sad when Metabo discontinued the line. I think other people can probably answer that better than I - those that have experience wíth various machines and workshops for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    9) What's the biggest blade you could shoe-horn into that TK 1256 of yours, even if you couldn't wind the whole blade back down below the table surface? (although it is probably limited mainly by where and how the riving knife attaches to the trunnion...)
    Don't know... Specs call for a 167 but they're as rare as rocking horse 5hit. I'm using a 170 at the moment and also use 160s and 150s. The best bloody saw I ever owned. My ex bought me one for my birthday and decided to keep it for our divorce. I found mine in Berlin and drove 1200km round trip to own it. They sell second hand on eBay for only 10 - 20% less than what they cost 10 years ago new! That's how cherished they are! I of course, snapped mine up 'Buy it Now' for a price that still makes me nervous when I think I almost didn't look in eBay that day...

    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    10) In a similar vein, have you ever been able to look inside a Scheppach TS2000 or 2010 with an eye to dropping in a bigger blade? (sort of like a 351 in an Escort, or a 427 in a Capri...)
    Nope. I did however own a '76 Capri with a V6 when I was a teenager that used to be a lot of fun. Still got a '81 Porsche 928S that's even more fun...

    Damien
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    Dear Damien,

    Thanks for dropping in...

    I guess if it has got the handles, it must be sort of meant to be portable... What I've got now is 50kg, and it's pretty darn heavy - even between my brother and I. 60kg would be even tougher, but do-able I suppose - especially if it detaches off the stand. I saw a Metabo that was coloured Magnum Green go through on ebay over here a couple of months ago, up North a bit, but I wasn't in a position at the time to do anything about it (still aren't, as things have turned out...) but I kicked myself a bit at the time because I was thinking "I wonder if it's a 1693?..." But what can you do? (hey, we don't have Autobahn's over here.....................and if we did, my brother's EA wagon wouldn't get us up there any quicker anyway!)

    You are an absolute Champ for showing up.

    Best Wishes,
    Batpig.
    Last edited by Batpig; 3rd March 2008 at 10:07 PM. Reason: Deleted an unnecessary question because Damo answered it in the last paragraph of his post (I missed it on the first read!)

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    Oh Damo!,

    If you happen to tune back in over there, any idea what the dust collection is like on the 1693? Is the blade shrouded below the table, and does the main upper housing have it's own floor?

    Re your 928S - Nice... That would still be a 4.7L in '81 I figure, but should still be good for 300 horsies. They reckon the manual is a bit clunky though. Is your glove-box still air-conditioned?

    Thanks,
    Batpig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batpig View Post
    Oh Damo!,

    If you happen to tune back in over there, any idea what the dust collection is like on the 1693? Is the blade shrouded below the table, and does the main upper housing have it's own floor?

    Re your 928S - Nice... That would still be a 4.7L in '81 I figure, but should still be good for 300 horsies. They reckon the manual is a bit clunky though. Is your glove-box still air-conditioned?

    Thanks,
    Batpig.
    They upgraded the dust extraction with a side port so there's one out the back, one on the side and one off the riving knife. Like all dust collection, depends on how good your sucker is in the end.

    The blade is not shrouded.

    The floor is the top shelf of the body cabinet and easy to slide out for cleaning.

    Mine is an automatic. Brought it back with me after a decade stint in Hong Kong. No anti poll gear so she's developing 300 ponies. Full leather, sun roof, electronic seats, climate controlled air con, cruise control... Only got 35K on the clock... Sweet baby! The 928 is one of the best GTs ever built in my opinion.
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    Again, thanks very much Damien.

    Auf Wiedersehen...
    Batpig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damienhazo View Post

    The blade is not shrouded.
    Oooops! The blade IS shrouded! Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that.
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    way to revive an 8 year old thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by elanjacobs View Post
    way to revive an 8 year old thread...
    I'm sorry, didn't know I should be running my comments past you before posting them...
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