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    Default choosing a small slider

    Hi All, trying to choose a single phase sliding table saw, the models I've had quoted are a Minimax sc2 , a Hammer K3 winner and a Hammer k3 comfort.
    Both the Hammer models are significantly more expensive than the Minimax which is what I'm strongly leaning towards at this stage.
    I don't have an opportunity to view these saws in person and as such have done about all the research I can online. The main benefits of the Hammer I can see are slightly bigger motor , brake and for the comfort model 40cm longer slider.
    I already have a couple of Hammer machines ( bandsaw and JP ) and am reasonably happy with them but am certainly not fixed on the brand.
    Just looking for some more thoughts/opinions on whether or not the Hammer models are worth the extra.

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    What tasks will you mostly use the saw for? I have decided I want a long slider, the reason is that I would like to straight-line rip the longest pieces I’m likely to use and I would like to use it for sheet goods.

    Slider length and your project size will determine how often you get frustrated and are forced to use alternatives like a track saw, I would try to minimise that. Tasks like sizing finished panels, tops, doors as well as straightline ripping would be the things I’d think about.

    Additionally you’ve already chosen hammer several times, I would see some minor benefits of having the same supplier like sharing mobility kit, table extensions and getting a tech out to service all your gear occasionally.

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    I want the saw for solid wood furniture making, a longer slider would in theory be better for straight lining timber and the bigger saws are a lot more heavy duty.
    I looked into getting the next models up from Minimax which would just fit in the shed , but the delivery is problematic as they don't fit on a tailgate truck and push the cost a bit high .

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    I bought one like Index Woodfast Group Australia. Mainly because it was ridiculously cheap, floor stock model. But, as I’ve used it, I’ve realised it is an excellent little saw, it has all the features of the European ones, and is plenty accurate enough for cabinet and panel work, it can rip solid timber easily. I’ve been mightily impressed with it, my previous saw was an Altendorf wa8x, so I’m probably not giving it a fair comparison, but for home use or serious hobby work, the woodfast is great.

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    So what is the price comparison between the Minimax and the two Hammer models? Nobody seems to want to tell us unless we make an enquiry.

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    In mid last year a k3 winner was going for 5.5k ex.gst according to an old price list in my email.

    If you are on a budget check out Kuffy’s praise of his prima 2500 Review of Prima 2500 panel saw

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    The Hammer products seem almost like kits you start with a base then add the features you want, with our dollar being in the shape it is and the options I choose to be quoted on final prices for both Hammers are well over double the figure Austin mentioned above.
    When I said the difference in price between the Minimax and Hammer was significant I meant several thousand.
    Not really considering chinese made saws at this stage so that seems to leave only these 2 in QLD anyway.
    Thanks for the responses guys, would love to hear if anyone has actually had hands on both the machines.

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    To anyone interested there is an Sc2 on Gumtree in Pearl Beach NSW that seems a real bargain if you are close enough/have time/vehicle etc to get it home.

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    In my experience there is nothing between the two brands, both are good quality and accurate machines and back up service would be my main criteria when looking at buying either. The Hammer as someone above quite rightly pointed out can be bought as a basic machine and options added to it as you go along and learn what you want. I bought my K3 without the outrigger and added it later along with the angle index on the outrigger. The scribing blade can also be added as it bolts straight in. The biggest fault I have found with mine now about 7 years old is the dust extraction hose in the cabinet is falling apart and apparently every machine has this problem. Another thing is you cannot operate this machine without connecting a dust extractor to the K3 cabinet port, I don't know about the MM but I imagine it is the same.

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    Hi Barramonday,
    I bought a sc2 classic just before Christmas. I haven't set it up yet as other things have taken over my time. I am in the process of making a mobility kit for it. I bought it from Brisbane Saw Service who are the QLD dealers. New price at the time was$6899 +gst + you get charged freight to Brisbane because that is ex warehouse price. Warehouses are in Sydney and Melbourne. $400-$600 approx. Melbourne being further away would make it the dearer figure. It comes with squaring frame, hold-down gizmos, 12" blade + scriber blade. You probably know all of this but others may be interested.
    Regards,
    Ross

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    I have been using a MiniMax SC-2 Classic for a few years now and find it is excellent to use and very accurate and solid and fits into a compact space . Certainly my previous MiniMax had a bigger slider which was better but it needs a lot more space. If you have the space the market is awash with lots of good used EUR machines where pro shops have converted to CNC units and these panel saws such as Altendorf are very well priced for the home user. With my current SC-2 I have fitted an extra operating safety switch as well as an aluminium zero insert plate. I also made a mobility kit with a dolly wheel for the odd times when I need to move it. When I bought my machine it came in a large crate well screwed down and it did take a couple of days to unpack and complete the assembly but that was how SMC was able to offer better prices which was $6750 in Feb 2017.
    Cheers,
    Paintman

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    Thanks everyone for the comments and info.
    I ended up putting a deposit on an Sc4 yesterday in a cry once type scenario, this ended up being very close in price to the Hammer comfort package I was offered and includes the overhead blade guard ( one of the features that pushed me to this machine).
    Cheers Rowan...

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    LOvely looking unit, I'm sure you'll be very pleased with it.

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    Overhead blade guards should be on every table saw I think, the guard fitted to the riving knife just ends up being removed by so many people because it is inconvenient.

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    you will love your SC4

    I have owned 3 SCM machines to date andthey are really well made. I am on my 3rd because they are good and I upgraded to a newer model.

    I currently have a Felder AD951 and a SCM 5RCS(two heads one with platten) wide belt sander in the shop, if I was tobuy again, I will buy the SCM. Felder is for professional Hobbyist, the owner is the operator. I bought the AD951 because the wait for the SCM equivalent was 6 months+ at the time. However this does not meant I have had problems with my Felder. But will I let my employee go near the Felder? No. but I do let my employee use my SCM wide belt sander cos it will stand up to the abuse.
    Machines: Masterwood OMB1V, SCM 5 RRCS1100, Danfoss VT2882, Griggio Unica 400, Felder AD951, SCM TI 145EP, Holytek DC006, SICAR Top6, Chicago Pneumatics CPRS10500, Ceccato CDX12
    Power tools: Festool DF700, DF500, HK55, CT36, LEX 3, OF1010, OF2200, DTSC400, VAC SYS, Starmix 1635


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