Thread: Carbatec 10HD vs 12r

No one with an answer, I am interested in the responses too (

Me too.

Could also throw the MBS300 in the mix. On paper there looks to be a lot of similarities between both the 12" saws.

Am I right in assuming that the TS 12 is a Grizzly saw like the TSC-10HB and that MBS is not. I have seen opinions that the MBS are of lesser quality than the Grizzly? But the opinions on this forum seem to conflict quite often, its hard to get a clear idea.

See this forum topic for some more on that.

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f153/table-advice-100782

I really hadn't given the MBS300 much thought until yesterday talking to a gent who used to work for Carbatec.

The advantage for me was he was not getting a sale from our chat and therefore I could only hope i would get his honest opinion on the gear.

He raved about the MBS300, and yet a current employee of Carbatec had little to say about it, he would rather push the TS-12r, which admittedly looked an impressive machine.

I am thinking that the reasoning behind the Carbatec guy not having much interest in the MBS is because he didn't have one on the shop floor.

I'm scratching my head wondering why would they bother carrying two machines that are so similar in build????

G'Day
Well i am in the same boat. I have deided on a 12 incher but which one? I was talking to the carbatec guy and he was saying the MBS-300 has a better build quality but not as nice visually and has lesser looking hand wheels and fence than the TS12R. He was also quick to say that even though the fences have a different appearance, that they are both very accurate items.
He also reckons the slidng table on the MBS-300 is better because of better bearings and is apparently smoother to operate. Plus it also has the extensionleg for added support. This feature is beside the point for me as i wont be getting a sliding table. YET
He also stated that the MBS 300 has been on thier books for 15 years or more. This shows that they must be doing something right with this saw.
I spose it will come down to the dollars in the end. It seems both machines are really good and that either one will be a good buy.

Skippy

I've been following some of your posts Skip, seems we are both making an investment in machinery.

I'm also looking at Thick/planer's in either combo's or seperates, table saw, bandsaw and dusty or a 5in1 combination machine.

We have the Perth Wood show next weekend and I hope to make my mind up their on the day, hopping I might pick up some bargains.

My budget is around $10k. If anyone has any suggestions on how to spend it (let's keep it to machinery please), feel free to offer some advise.

the ts 12r has a slightly wider rip capacity compared to the mbs 300
dado is an option with a 5/8 arbor extension costing $80.00, giving dado capacity of 20mm
right tilting saw
i was talking to guy from carba tec about ts12r and asking about dado option and he was telling me that it was a bit of a pain in the ass fitting it...not sure how much truth to that.
most of the table saws on grizzly site are left tilting arbor.
come to think of it, when you look at saws on grizzly site, one thing that they have which the tablesaws sold here don't have is an outfeed table

Originally Posted by misd669

the ts 12r has a slightly wider rip capacity compared to the mbs 300
dado is an option with a 5/8 arbor extension costing $80.00, giving dado capacity of 20mm
right tilting saw
i was talking to guy from carba tec about ts12r and asking about dado option and he was telling me that it was a bit of a pain in the ass fitting it...not sure how much truth to that.
most of the table saws on grizzly site are left tilting arbor.
come to think of it, when you look at saws on grizzly site, one thing that they have which the tablesaws sold here don't have is an outfeed table

another thing i can't understand about the ts12r is looking at the 2007 carba tec catalogue, it lists dado as standard feature, current catalogue, an option with 5/8 arbor extension........strange

G'Day Ali G
Mate i have only one suggestion. Go seperate items, Horses for courses and all that.
Actualy i have 2 suggestions. Have a clear idea of what you want to get before you get there.
The dude there pray for dudes like us who have a ROUGH idea of what we want and the budget to allow you to get it.
These guys are salesmen and they are trained to part us from our cash so just have a clear vison before you go. I am not being nasty or suggesting that the sales dude are sharks or anything like that. They usually are trying to do the best for you, but if you dont know what you are after your just as likely to walk out with the first "cant say no to" deal you come cross. This usually not really what you wanted, its just that "it was so cheap at the time"

This is the voice of experience here, expensive experience ( Not tools though)

In addition to the ideas already posted, I would urge you to try to determine one other very important feature - do any of the saws have a shroud around the blade to assist in dust extraction? The 10HB, although a very good saw, does not have a shroud and I really don't know about the others. But without it, I think the dust extraction design is very crude.

Essentially the dust just drops into this big cabinet and gets all over the gear mechanisms and with many open spaces in the cabinet, vacuum extraction is not as efficient as it could be.

I previously had a Ryobi 3100BTK, not a heavy duty saw or as expensive, but it did have a an enclosed shroud around the blade which not only protected all the other components from sawdust, but resulted in very efficient dust extraction with very little mess on the shop floor.

Originally Posted by TP1

In addition to the ideas already posted, I would urge you to try to determine one other very important feature - do any of the saws have a shroud around the blade to assist in dust extraction? The 10HB, although a very good saw, does not have a shroud and I really don't know about the others. But without it, I think the dust extraction design is very crude.

Essentially the dust just drops into this big cabinet and gets all over the gear mechanisms and with many open spaces in the cabinet, vacuum extraction is not as efficient as it could be.

I previously had a Ryobi 3100BTK, not a heavy duty saw or as expensive, but it did have a an enclosed shroud around the blade which not only protected all the other components from sawdust, but resulted in very efficient dust extraction with very little mess on the shop floor.

sailor?????

Originally Posted by misd669

sailor?????

Say what?

Hi Guys,

The dust extraction on the MBS300 does not have any sort of collector, i think that this is a relatively new idea.
I really have not experienced any issue with inappropriate dust collection on mine.
Any othe MBS owners want to comment?