Thread: HELP! - bad advice?

What you've been told is complete rubbish. Find yourself another equipment supplier who knows what he is talking about IMHO.

I think you must have mistakenly talked to the shop moron instead of the salesperson.
Go elsewhere. If you spend some time setting your machine up you can get very good results. And just so you can see he doesn't know what he's talking about

"The Incra mitre3000 SE features the 3/4" x 3/8” Glide LOCK steel mitre bar with up to eight expandable nylon rings to achieve an absolutely perfect fit in any standard mitre gauge slot." **

I'd trust the advice from this forum over a dodgy salesman any day.







** Taken from the Professional Woodworkers Supplies site. A forum sponsor.

Great, i suspected as such! - Just completely ruined my afternoon to be honest.

Thanks guys.

T

Tony,

There are a lot errors in the info you have received, my advice is;

1. Buy a saw that comes recommended by others. I personally have a 10"/12" saw ex China that does all that I require, including panel work.
2. Don't rely on the supplied Mitre Gauge, they are as useful as the advice you received. Incra Mitre Gauges have expanding disks on the sliding bar that can be adjusted to take up any slack in the mitre slot and are accurate to 1/50th of a degree, repeatable to 1/100th of a degree.
3. The Mitre Express does a pretty good job of eliminating the need for a sliding table, e.g. 600mm crosscut capacity, zero clearance to the blade etc.
4. Look at what you're likely to be doing on the saw?? Don't buy a 3000se just because it's the top of the line, the 1000hd has more features at about 1/2 the cost.

You don't tell us where you are located but the saw I have is available in NSW (Major Woodworking), Victoria (Woodworking Warehouse) and Queensland (GPW & Jet Tool Shop Townsville.)

Adding an Incra fence system will benefit you, particularly if you incorporate a router table. Sometimes it's best to get advice on the accessories before buying the machine.

I hope that this helps.

Regards

Grahame

A good start would be the class of machine that Grahame mentioned. Several suppliers are bringing in their own saws direct (e.g. MWE in Sydney, GPW Qld, etc.) which offer quality indistinguishable from some big name saws at a fraction of the price.

The fence supplied with the machine is a big consideration, and its worth paying a bit more for a good one.

First addition should be an Incra Mitre Gauge - even one of the cheaper models will be a massive improvement over the item supplied with the saw.

Add a decent combination blade, then my advice would be to spend some time using the saw for a variety of operations before you spend any more. You may find that the rip fence on the saw gives acceptable accuracy out of the box.

I agree that this guy obviously didn't know what he was talking about.

This is the saw that I just purchased after being recommended it by Grahame from PWS although his is branded Woodman and from a local supplier

Gary Pye Woodturning :: Gary Pye Woodturning - GPW 10/12" Table Saw

Great saw and GPW was the cheapest around when I factored in delivery - $150 from Qld to Melbourne, I also have the 1000HD which works well. I've just started using a Freud Blade and am really happy with the finish it gives to the cut.

Tony

Hard to imagine that the sales person you spoke to has any practical experience using the machines/tools you were discussing!!!

However what he said could be the outcome if the equipment were used without any (as necessary) initial setup adjustments. Most new equipment will need some setup adjustment and or tuning to your environment before it will produce the accuracy expected. There is plenty of info available on this forum to help with those commissioning tasks.

Follow the advice already provided by others here - it's spot on.

Good luck

Ian

I am going to disagree. If you have a rough old blade in the table, you get a rough cut and have to clean that up. Each blade has a purpose and use the wrong blade for the wrong cut and, Guess what , its wrong. So if you get the correct tool for the job you are doing, and yes you will have perfection. But a rough rip blade doing small box joints is a mess. So I would say everyone is correct in their own way.

Thanks all... again very useful advice.

Grahame - thanks for the heads up on the 1000HD - ill check that out. You're right, i did partially assume it was the best since it was the top end, however what first attracted me to it was length/extension.

Also, i live in Sydney... so if anyone knows a good supplier that knows what they're talking about )...

In regards to the GPW saw mentioned, i noticed it only comes with a 1 year warranty? Has anyone had any long term use out of the machine? i'd be interested to see it's going. It has all the right specs, right price... in fact it's perfect!!

Has anyone had any experience with this saw? i've never used this brand before.

Thanks again guys - very much appreciate the responses and great advice. keep it up!

Cheers
T

Good Morning Tony

I have just had almost 200 various sized parts of melamine panels supplied and cut by a local joinery shop; they were cut to an accuracy of 0.1mm on an Altendorf panel saw. I had never seen the saw before, but it just reeks quality. Accuracy is achievable.

It seems that the circus is not the only employer of clowns.

Cheers

Graeme

The salesman you are discussing is your good friend, he has indicated fairly his /his employers attitude and customer service potential. Better now than after you part with your cash and discover that there is no support.

Possibly gives the Incra gear a bad rap because they don't supply it.
Possibly comments about his saw are true as well, if it is truly shoddy, poorly machined etc. I have seen saws with two mitre guage slots a couple of mmm out of parallel, and neither parallel to the blade.

All in all a good place to avoid, why should you have faith in their gear when they obviously don't.

I think it all comes down to what you expect to get out of a table saw. if you are comparing cutting panels and timber on a table saw with that of a top of the range Altendorf Panel saw with a sliding table there is no comparison for accuracy particular in handling and cutting large panels to size and squareness etc. It would be the same in comparing a Altendorf Panel Saw to cutting panels on a Beam Saw ( computer controlled) for production work where there is large quantities of varying size panels. The Beam saw for time and accuracy leaves every thing else for dead.
If you go back a few years I guess its it like comparing a Triton work centre to one of the various brand of table saw that are now available.
Its courses for courses.
Mac

Typically, when a salesman bags a product or suite of products, it is because he is trying to sell you something else.

I would be interested to know what he DID recommend to you? What barrow was he pushing?

Go back to thats salesman (?) and teelim buggerim!!!

I can offer no better advice than . Just add that if you look up posts by Niki on these forums you will find plenty of great inexpensive ways to make super accurate jigs.