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25th October 2020, 09:10 PM #16Intermediate Member
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So like a mini dado stack for the scriber blade when you change the main blade. Makes sense. Thanks for the tip
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26th October 2020, 01:50 PM #17GOLD MEMBER
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There is a Robland NLX310 with full kit for sale at Condoblin on Gumtree $4750 ono. Hardly used.
I have one of these machines and it has served me well. Is the Minimax better? Yes. But for the price you will have a perfectly functional machine for half the money.
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26th October 2020, 02:55 PM #18GOLD MEMBER
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I’ve talked to the owner and seen photos of the Robland machine at Condobolin, it’s a very nice piece of equipment and has done very little work, you’d be crazy not to consider it, especially at the asking price.
here’s the link, guy’s name is Keith, good luck.
Sliding Table Saw & Much More | Miscellaneous Goods | Gumtree Australia Lachlan Area - Condobolin | 1256268467
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26th October 2020, 06:46 PM #19
It might be $850 but you have not finished spending after that. You need a westcott chuck and mortising bits. Don't buy steel mortising bits. They are really not very good. I bought a CMT carbide set from Carbatec when they had them as a special. They are a far superior tool.
If anyone wants some steel slot mortising bits, ping me. I have no use for them.
In my opinion, buy the Domino. I think they are overpriced, but until their patents expire, there is no other comparable hand held tool around. And the hand tool that you can take to a job is important because you can't really mount a 1.6m panel onto the table of a slot mortiser at 45 degrees.
I see that others have answered the split scriber blade question. I have nothing further to add.
I would have answered earlier but we were hit with a 10 hour power outage in yesterday's storm in Brisbane. It was pretty epic!
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26th October 2020, 07:30 PM #20Intermediate Member
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Thanks all for the input. I did see that Robland machine on Gumtree at Condoblin Rusty. I did contact the owner to ask some questions, he said he'd call back but never did... What is really throwing my off that machine is that its a full size slider 2.4m I just can't swing that machine is my work space. I'm looking at a 1.6m stroke sliding bed max for my work area due to the need to share with a car.
I'm not in any rush, so I've got saved searches and if i see a bargain like the one described on gumtree that suits my needs then i'll jump at the chance. If in the mean time I can save enough its the LAB300 for me. Noting that there are some customer service issues with SCM, I a hobbyist that hopefully wouldn't have to deal with them like a tradesperson.
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26th October 2020, 10:18 PM #21SENIOR MEMBER
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SCM L'Invincibile si X, SCM L'Invincibile S7, SCM TI 145EP, SCM Sandya Win 630, Masterwood OMB1V, Meber 600, Delta RJ42, Nederman S750, Chicago Pneumatics CPRS10500, Ceccato CDX12
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26th October 2020, 10:23 PM #22SENIOR MEMBER
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my NX410 came with mortise table, I used it once and put it away
because I use thicknessor/planer very often, the mortiser table is in the way... combi machine all have mortiser on the side of T/P, regardless of the brand you buy, you will have this issue. Felder group has an accessories you can buy to wheel the mortiser table away, but again, its the setup time and in the way.SCM L'Invincibile si X, SCM L'Invincibile S7, SCM TI 145EP, SCM Sandya Win 630, Masterwood OMB1V, Meber 600, Delta RJ42, Nederman S750, Chicago Pneumatics CPRS10500, Ceccato CDX12
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27th October 2020, 07:23 AM #23GOLD MEMBER
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If you're patient, the Felder/Hammer machines do come up 2nd hand occasionally. There've been several recently. Currently a 3P version on Scumtree, but it's in Vic so you'd die of COVID on the way (Felder BF-631 Combination Woodworking Machine | Power Tools | Gumtree Australia Cardinia Area - Beaconsfield | 1259509841).
Scumtree and machines4u are the spots to watch. Fleabay marketplace too if you're daft enough to let Zuckerberg watch you eat your dinner.
I have a K3, A3-31 and N4400, all bought 2nd hand, and all are fantastic machines. Extremely robust and appear to go on forever. Felder will usually have their whole history on file, so it's easy to call them up and see if the machine has had any major issues.
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27th October 2020, 08:25 PM #24
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27th October 2020, 09:30 PM #25GOLD MEMBER
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Why would you expect to get any different service from a retailer because you are a hobby user and not a tradesman or professional user? As far as I’m concerned, there should be no difference, in fact, they should actually go the extra mile for people in your position, for two reasons.
1. You’re probably starting out, and therefore will be thinking about expanding your machine shop and it’s contents, as funds and experience warrant, therefore it would be smart of them to look after you so you have a good experience and come back to them for future purchases.
2. If you’re happy with their service, you’re going to tell everyone who sees your machine how good they were, and I’ll bet that more than half of those people are keen hobbyists too, who would be looking to buy their equipment or upgrade, or are starting out. This is free advertising and goodwill for them.
They should be giving everyone the same level of service and assistance, and sadly, they don’t. I’ve had dealings with almost all of them over the years, and could count the good ones on one hand, which is sad because the hobby use market is growing exponentially, especially inthe current pandemic situation. The standard of customer service is below par, and we deserve better.
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27th October 2020, 09:51 PM #26Intermediate Member
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Hi Riverbuilder,
That comment was more in relation to MarkHarisson's personal experience with SCM. More in relation to lack of interaction required after buying the machine compared to a professional shop, which may need more regular professional based servicing and consumables etc. Customer service to me is an important part of the equation, however the price difference of approximate $4300 between a Lab300Px and the Hammer B3 basic is the overriding decision maker.
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28th October 2020, 11:00 AM #27
Fully appreciate and agree with your sentiments, Riverbuilder, but I can also emphasise with the businesses.
Most businesses derive the bulk of their revenue from quite a small portion of their customer base. If you want to put a fancy word on it then it is called a Paretto distribution, or the 80:20 rule. Eighty percent of the revenue comes from 20 percent of the customers. This is continuous high level repeat business. It is far more important and cheaper for the business to retain this core account, than to try to win your spasmodic business.
I do not like it but I understand their motivation.
Years ago, I was required to travel a lot and had heaps of frequent flyer points. All my travel, business and personal, was at the front of the plane. Business travel is almost always arranged at the last minute on a corporate contract rate and usually a Business Class rates. The airlines frequent flyer programs were designed almost entirely to attract intensive flyers like me. Now that I am retired I am almost irrelevant to their frequent flyer programs.
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29th October 2020, 12:36 AM #28Senior Member
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Hi Alex,
I had a MiniMax CU-300 classic that I used for several years and found it an excellent machine and at the time I bought it new I did get excellent service including set up. I did fit a power feeder unit to the spindle moulder and did use the boring attachment a lot with a set of cutters from MiniMax. However setting it up was time consuming and I would rather have a Domino unit as it has more uses. With the CU-300 the main functional use is the excellent slider saw and I never had any issues with of 5 years of use. Other than the saw I did use the jointer a lot but not so much the thicknesser. I ended up buying a separate unit with a spiral cutter. I only sold the machine due to downsizing to a smaller premises and now have a MiniMax SC-2 slider unit along with a thicknesser, bandsaw etc. The accuracy of the MiniMax has been excellent and it is easy to remove the squaring unit off the slider if you have space issues then attach it later for use without the need to re-calibrate. I agree the mobile unit on the CU-300 was not good so on my SC-2 I have fitted two rear wheels and use a small front dolly unit to move it around if needed.
Going from a large barn/workshop to a 7.2x6m space does require some adjustment but now after nearly 4 years I have all working just fine by the use of my own mobility unit on the few occasions when I need to reposition the machinery. In an effort to contain costs and be more price competitive my SC-2 unit came very well packaged crate from Italy via the local factory and you assemble yourself to save quite a few dollars. Took a couple of days as there are a lot of adjustments but a good way to learn. I have recently dealt with MiniMax to get a new drive belt and had no issue other than the cost with courier delivery etc. I also know several folks also deal with Felder for either a Felder or Hammer machine and are very happy with the machines. (I have been using a Hammer N4400 bandsaw for a few years) I did get a note from Felder this week where they have a sale on at present so you may want to check that out.
Cheers,
Paintman
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30th October 2020, 07:12 AM #29Intermediate Member
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Hi Paintman,
Thank you for this insight. The SC-2 that you bought, was that from SCM in Australia? Correct me if i'm wrong but do that do they provide a cheaper price if you assemble yourself?
AlexN
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30th October 2020, 08:36 AM #30Senior Member
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Hi Alex,
yes I dealt with SCM in Melb. via their "I Like Wood" website. At the time ,Feb 2017,the price was $6750 and I picked up the unit from the SCM facility in Scoresby which they loaded on my tandem trailer and fortunately I had the means to unload the crate at home. In 2017 I think this was the only available supply option which was the other extreme from a few years previous where a service technician came with the machine for a two hour set up. With my first machine that service inclusion was the deciding factor in buying the MiniMax relative to a Felder unit. In talking about this with the SCM manager he said the change was made to minimise the price to be more competitive. As I was quite familiar with MiniMax from past experience assembly was not that difficult but a little time consuming especially with the excellent crate packaging where all components were screwed to the base. It was not a full assembly as the cabinet already had the main components installed and it was a matter of fitting all of the slider/squaring frame and the table extensions etc then adjusting everything for square and plum. I am not sure if SCM still sell this way so you may want to check via their I Like Wood website.
Cheers,
Paintman
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