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9th April 2020, 01:58 PM #1Intermediate Member
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Newbie - Table Saw vs Track Saw vs ?? advice please
Hi All, I'm relatively new to wood working and plan on using this social isolation time to refine my skills and hopefully create some quality pieces from scratch with some furniture projects such as knocking off this entertainment unit and bedside tables out of plywood. I might even create workshop a storage solution using french cleats.
So I was seeking advice from the more experienced around which type of "main" saw I should be investing in for my home workshop to align to the above mentioned projects. I currently have an assortment of cordless 18v Milwaukee gear, drills, circular saw etc and like their flexibility and quality.
My budget is up to $1000 for the "main saw" including table and key accessories attached to table - if I can have the flexibility of a folding / mobile type that would be advantages as it would mean reduced need to re-organise my current workspace, but its not a must. The ability to convert to a router table down the line would be ideal too, but not sure if that's practical.
After lots of google research I've become somewhat confused around what I need; is it a table saw, job site saw, a rail saw or others?
I was originally leaning towards a second hand Triton Workcentre 2000 with many around for ~$400 with accessories and saw, then noticed lots of feedback around how fiddly they are to set up accurately. So started to progress towards some of the entry level Makita, Dewalt or Milwaukee table saw's between $650-$999. Then I found info suggesting a quality second hand track/rail saw such as Festool TS55 which seem to be available for ~ $1000 is a better option.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of these options, or are the designed to perform different tasks?
Thanks in advance
Here is my current long, shortlist
Carbatec TS-J315
Makita
Dewalt
Milwaukee
Triton 2000
Festool Track/Plunge saw
Festool CS 50 well out of my price range new, but would love an affordable secondhand one
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10th April 2020, 10:55 AM #2GOLD MEMBER
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Hi Walshy25. I have both (Taiwanese contractor style table saw and sheppach track saw) and both serve different purposes. The biggest factor for me is space. My work shop is tiny so I often break down sheet goods with the track saw and finish cutting with the table saw (more accurate for multiple cuts). For solid timber I use the table saw exclusively, rip cuts especially. Crosscuts on long lengths are easiest with a mitre saw but for shorter pieces a cross cut sled works well on a table saw. I started with a Triton but even a basic table saw is a vast improvement. I always think 2nd hand will get you a better quality table saw for the same price (mine was $400 with cast iron table 3hp motor and 10" blade) and continues to serve me well after 15 yrs of use. There are also plenty of jigs you can make to increase a table saws versatility. The only snag is having to wait until the right one comes along. I also have a Makita job site saw which is great because its portable but again no match for my table saw for accuracy, power and flexibility. Don't forget to think about accessories too - blades, hold downs, push sticks, etc. You can make lots of them but it all adds up.
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10th April 2020, 02:37 PM #3GOLD MEMBER
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I wouldn't go for the Fe$tool CS system unless you need the portability (I nearly went that way and glad I didn't). Very expensive as you add functionality.
Track saw is fantastic for breaking up sheet goods. You can be extremely accurate with the Fe$tool, but you either need to be very skilled, or spend a bit of time and money setting up - saw, tracks, TSO parallel guides, UJK parf guide system + dogs to make your own MFT top.
You'll need a lot of space to break sheets on a table saw (outfeed table/supports), but it's a bit easier to be accurate once you're working with smaller pieces - provided you have a decent saw and fence.
I started with a TS55, built a Paulk workbench, and bought the bits mentioned above (which puts you in good table saw territory quickly!). Then got a decent table saw when one turned up.
Other option is a 2nd hand slider if you have the space - couple of recent threads discussing these here, so should turn up in a quick search. Knowing what I do now, and the type of wood butchery I do, this would have been the best option for me if I did it all again.
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10th April 2020, 02:52 PM #4Senior Member
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I have a ts55, its great but couldn’t be my only saw, I use it together with my bandsaw (ripping and resawing) and mitre saw (cutting to length). I started out with just a contractors saw, I made a sled for it and could do pretty much anything, just not as comfortably as I now enjoy. I would recommend a second hand table saw with a cast iron top.
I think Tritons are rubbish.
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10th April 2020, 08:07 PM #5
What you have not mentioned is how much space you have, or how you plan to deal with saw dust.
For myself, a circular saw and guide rail and clamps is the cheap way to go - assuming you have a work bench or saw horses.
I bought a Festool TS55, some guide rails (2 x 1400 plus joiners), and clamps. Also bought a Midi dust extractor/vacuum cleaner.
Whilst all up this is probably twice your budget (half in the dust extractor) you can cut accurately and it takes up only a small footprint at the end of the day.
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11th April 2020, 07:40 AM #6GOLD MEMBER
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A quality tracksaw is much more versatile but if your typical projects involve cutting lists with multiples of the same dimension, a good table saw will be better.
Dont bother with any of the contractor saws they are not accurate enough for joinery works.
As has been mentioned the size of your working area will influence your purchase
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11th April 2020, 09:10 AM #7
If you are expecting to use a lot of sheet goods like plywood then a quality track saw will be very hard to beat, especially when partnered with a stand that can take a whole sheet. I will pull my panel stand out today and take some pics for you.
As I don’t have a proper shed I can use as a workshop portability is my keyword; I would love to have a dedicated 14” tablesaw with a slider but practicality means I stick with my pair of Tritons (and an old contractor saw for quick and dirty work). I can cut accurately to within 0.5mm with the Tritons but I generally finish to size by hand tools anyway so inaccuracies with the saw are irrelevant.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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11th April 2020, 11:22 AM #8Senior Member
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How do you guys rip with your track saws? I can’t think of any way that is not dangerous for holding the work piece.
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11th April 2020, 11:39 AM #9GOLD MEMBER
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I just have a sacrificial sheet on my work surface and set the saw so it just gets scored when cutting material.
If I am cutting a narrow piece I just lay an equivalent thickness sheet next to it for the track to lay on and away you go.
I find them a very safe saw to use, particularly the Festool as it has a riving knife which I think is a major advantage over the others
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11th April 2020, 02:54 PM #10
As promised here is my panel stand for cutting sheet goods. It was made from 4X2’s about 15 years ago and has basically lived outside it’s whole life, hence why it looks so daggy. I only expected it to last for about 5 years but it refuses to die!
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It is strong enough for two people to stand on as a work platform, plus when ripping sheets straight down the guts you can climb aboard and crawl along it following the saw. Take off the cross rails and the two stands stack on top of each other so it takes up very little real estate and can be left outside. If you coat it with cheap varnish or a decking finish it will probably last a lifetime.
When I make a replacement I’ll make it higher, currently it’s about 600mm high but I think I would have preferred 750mm in hindsight. I’m six foot tall and it is a PITA to be bending over it for more than a few cuts.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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11th April 2020, 07:05 PM #11SENIOR MEMBER
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There are many safe ways to rip - both narrow & wide, including repeatable rips, which is what many people are looking for.
Here are a just few options for your viewing pleasure - both home made & commercial solutions:
Long & narrow repeatable rips:
I have these - they work really well:
Home made:
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11th April 2020, 07:50 PM #12SENIOR MEMBER
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I have a Minimax C26 sliding table saw, but in all honesty, if I was starting again it would be a track saw & an MFT table. I built this torsion box workbench incorporating an MFT grid & absolutely love its versatility. Have a look at New Brit Workshop, Marius Hornberger & everything else Youtube has to offer. DO NOT RUSH...B47.jpg
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11th April 2020, 07:56 PM #13SENIOR MEMBER
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Ditto on the Triton, but was amazed what my dearly departed Dad could conjure up on his Triton
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12th April 2020, 07:53 AM #14Senior Member
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Thanks for the ripping links, interesting.
i agree with repete, I made a table like that with the parf guide system, it is incredibly useful!
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12th April 2020, 08:42 AM #15Intermediate Member
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Looks very effective 👏 thanks
Last edited by Walshy25; 12th April 2020 at 08:43 AM. Reason: Replied to wrong person
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