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    Default Another one of those.. "Pls suggest a good table/sliding /panel saw" thread.

    Hey all. As the title suggest, I'm sure you all are over these table saw request threads. I would have posted on the other threads but I noticed how fast the thread got hijacked off topic quickly so here we are...

    I've read thru the previous threads and they are very informative. I've gone and looked up the Hammer another unit mentioned and the SCM which are extremely nice units but I can't for the life of me find the prices for these units. Before looking those up I was in a pickle between choosing a Saw Stop, Carbatec 12" cab, Laguna fusion and the Panel Saw from Machine House W688 - TS250RS Panel Saw | Hare & Forbes Machineryhouse. The funny thing is my budget has gone from $1800, to now abt 5k after reading about the hammer and the scm mini, mate... Those things look mint! But I've gotta be realistic. So my question is,is there a budget cheap panel saw out there quality wise? Can you get something for $2000 that can cater for laminate sheets and hard wood. I've only ventured into woodworking thou my background is in carpentry, thou we don't do cabinets and the more refiner stuff, thou I would love to get into it. So yeap! This will be my very first table saw thou I have used our work site table yet that's no comparison to a cabinet as I'm sure you'll agree. I was given an Elu flip saw from a member from here but that's another topic.

    I like the idea of the hammer as someone suggested in another thread and how he just upgraded it thru the years. I would like that too but I can't for the life of me find prices anywhere? Knowing my luck the basic models probably about 10k+. Or should I just get a Saw Stop? I noticed not many people in here reckon its worth it's price tag. I'm open to suggestion and sorry for my grammar and such.. beer has a tendency to affect me after 12stubbies!

    I understand this subject has been discussed numerous times, just point us in the right direction and I'll follow it up from there. Thanks crew! 😉

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    Thoughts on this? Thanks
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    Default Definitely look at these

    I’ve written this heaps of times on these threads, have a look at a Woodfast ts315
    Index Woodfast Group Australia

    I bought one as a site saw for a job here where it had to be barged in and craned into the house, and it’s been an absolute bloody beauty. It does everything a european expensive saw does, and more. It gets used every day and all I’ve done is replace a start capacitor. I think they are about $5k, and well worth every cent. I believe JC Walsh in Melbourne are the agents, and Beyond Tools in Perth. I bought mine off the showroom floor from H&F but they only have the smaller one now. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverbuilder View Post
    I’ve written this heaps of times on these threads, have a look at a Woodfast ts315
    Index Woodfast Group Australia

    I bought one as a site saw for a job here where it had to be barged in and craned into the house, and it’s been an absolute bloody beauty. It does everything a european expensive saw does, and more. It gets used every day and all I’ve done is replace a start capacitor. I think they are about $5k, and well worth every cent. I believe JC Walsh in Melbourne are the agents, and Beyond Tools in Perth. I bought mine off the showroom floor from H&F but they only have the smaller one now. Good luck.
    That's the other saw I was referring to.. 5k. If the qualities there why not. Bit over budget but hell! Missus is gonna kill me either way.

    Thanks mate!
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    The European saws are all POA without exception but be patient because used units do appear from time to time on machines4u or similar sites. There is a difference in the sliding saw market, panel saws are usually capable of ripping a 2.4 metre sheet but most hobbyists buy what is call a short stroke slider which will only as a rule cross cut a 2.4 x 1.2 sheet on the sliding table. If a 2.4 sheet is to be ripped on one of these saws then it is done as you would on a normal table saw. Several members here have bought used Europena short stroke sliders in the last year or so but you have to be patient. The Asian machines have not been on the market that long in Oz but they are becoming more popular because the price is very attractive and are generally well made. When I bought my Hammer the Asian machines were not available so there was no choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    The European saws are all POA without exception but be patient because used units do appear from time to time on machines4u or similar sites. There is a difference in the sliding saw market, panel saws are usually capable of ripping a 2.4 metre sheet but most hobbyists buy what is call a short stroke slider which will only as a rule cross cut a 2.4 x 1.2 sheet on the sliding table. If a 2.4 sheet is to be ripped on one of these saws then it is done as you would on a normal table saw. Several members here have bought used Europena short stroke sliders in the last year or so but you have to be patient. The Asian machines have not been on the market that long in Oz but they are becoming more popular because the price is very attractive and are generally well made. When I bought my Hammer the Asian machines were not available so there was no choice.
    Thanks Mate. Are you able to point me towards a few of these Asian models please. Thanks
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    Hi Mick, you said you'd like to cut laminate sheets, if you intend to do this regularly I'd suggest removing any saws from the search that don't have a seperate scoring blade.
    With your stated budget any of the Euro saws are not in the price range new.
    When your restrictions ease you'll have to go have a look at some saws, the Woodfast model Riverbuilder suggested would be a good place to start.
    A common suggestion on forums is to look at secondhand options, I looked for awhile but found them all to have too long (3m + ) slides for my shed and be 3phase, being in Melb you may have better luck.

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    I cut melamine on mine without a scoring blade and no chipping but the blade though it cost $800 is a cheaper alternative than buying a scoring unit for my saw. I think value for money the Asian saws now available here are excellent value for money and if the trend continues the hobby short stroke European saws are simply not going to sell and the only reason they sold in Oz was no alternative existed at the time, end of story. Riverbuilder's link is an Asian saw, others may be out there as well. I regularly use a full panel saw and I don't like it except for what it is designed for. Doing small cabintry work on it is a true pain in the bum. At one stage I considered selling mine and buying an Asian saw simply because I would have put money in my pocket.
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    dont know about you guys but even Asian imports are pretty pricey nowadays. a second hand Euro machine is better value for money, you can find plenty of them on machineseeker. its better if you buy a FCL. going LCL you may end up with damages to machines. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barramonday View Post
    Hi Mick, you said you'd like to cut laminate sheets, if you intend to do this regularly I'd suggest removing any saws from the search that don't have a seperate scoring blade.
    With your stated budget any of the Euro saws are not in the price range new.
    When your restrictions ease you'll have to go have a look at some saws, the Woodfast model Riverbuilder suggested would be a good place to start.
    A common suggestion on forums is to look at secondhand options, I looked for awhile but found them all to have too long (3m + ) slides for my shed and be 3phase, being in Melb you may have better luck.
    Hey mate. I've recently moved so figured I'd do all my Reno's hence the purchase of a saw. I'm planing on cutting everything and anything that comes to mind and not just limited to sheets. I think I just want something that can do sheets and solid timber and hopefully not too expensive. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert View Post
    dont know about you guys but even Asian imports are pretty pricey nowadays. a second hand Euro machine is better value for money, you can find plenty of them on machineseeker. its better if you buy a FCL. going LCL you may end up with damages to machines. etc.
    Albert, there are plenty of 3 phase full size panel saws here as well but used European short stroke sliders in country are as rare as the proverbial and even more so single phase machines.
    CHRIS

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    Thanks Chris and Albert for the heads up.
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    Default Leda Saw

    For your first saw, the Leda will be fine. All saws have foibles & tweaks always make them better. Personally, I would never have a saw without a sliding table. My Minimax C26 is a half sheet machine & it suits my needs well. As an aside, I wish SCM offered a budget model without the spindle, as most hobbyists are router table based.

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