Thread: Qld Trade tools table saw

it's Russ's. The wood is from the reject hardwood, see thread in buy sell and swap.

I'm probably going to go get one tomorrow, assuming there are any left...

I took the plunge, bought the saw. I've added some photos of the unpacking.

A couple of tips/issues.

The side table are heavy. If your working along offer the side table up vertically to the middle hole. That way you can support the table and start the bolt relatively easily. Bolting the legs to the saw with the bolt pointing up as per the instructions may make assembly slightly easier but I always point bolts down, that way if they loosen and the nut falls off the bolt is at least still locating the joint in shear, and you only lose the nut and washer not the whole thing..

I've going to rewire the switch with a extension lead cut in half. That was a standard iec lead will run the motor to the right mounted switch and I can use it to cut power to the router as well. The saw comes with a 15 amp plug which is unnecessary and inconvenient.

The saw is taiwanese not chinese. There is a lot of quality touches but some issues I'm disapointed with. The saw box has some rough spots at the front, rough fabrication work. There are some finish issues and one of the handwheels has a casting flaw. The biggest issue is the inconsistent ledge in the router hole. The insert will locate ok but I am thinking of taking it back. The saw mechanism itself is very good and the sealed bearings can be replaced with skf when they fail.

The router fence will go on ebay next week and my next job is to make rails, sled and platform for the incra. I mucked everything up and didn't get to H&F until they were shut so have to get a mobile base. Probably carbatec. Gotta reduce the dust extraction to 1 1/2 inches for my vacuumes and modify the sump mounts which are silly and inadequate.

It's not perfect but it is very good, and an excellent base for modification. Still can't believe the price. Apparently they have been selling a conventional contractors saw for 10 years but recently had a H&S issue at a customers business with the rear mounted motor and exposed belt drives so looked around and found this product.

I moved the wood to a seperate page:

http://home.exetel.com.au/guzzi/wood

Anyone have any questions ?

Dear Damian,

So the Rise & Fall is done with a bevel-gear arrangement, rather than (what I thought was) the usual big curved-rack. I was wondering what the heck that pair of gears was doing in your last set of photos - mystery solved . And the Bevel adjustment looks like it could be an "entrapped swivel nut" setup, rather than another big curved-rack. I don't mind that - it's good for weight-saving, and there was sure as heck nothing wrong with the "feel" of it. Any idea of what the weight of the unit is? And also, is there any chance of some unrestricted dust-chute-off shots either down into (if the thing is still upside down) or up into (if she's the right way up now) the guts of it - one photo with the Bevel set at 45deg, and another photo with it back at 0deg - so that we can get a really good look at both sides of the whole trunnion setup? And have you measured the maximum depth of cut yet? (might make a few of the 10" boys jealous ) I guess you might also want to start thinking about what to coat the table with to keep it shiny...

Congratulations Damian - well done! Hours of satisfying tinkering with the Incra lie ahead by the sounds of it.

Best Wishes,
Batpig.

From the owners manual 100 mm with a 12" blade 77 as I recall with a 10". Don't you love the way I mix units ?

I'll shoot the innerds as requested when I get a chance. Yes it's all bevel gears.

I was planning on getting some ubeut wax since that seems to be what everyone recommends, otherwise some stuff from carbatec. I try to spread my $ around to businesses that are worth preserving, provided the premium isn't too large. The ubeut stuff is well priced provided shipping doesn't kill it, but I've GOT to get a mobile base and maybe a reducer for the dust and if I go all the way to carbatec the temptation to get a bottle of whatever at the same time might overwhelm me .

I've got to make some decisions soon about finishing products so maybe ubeut will get that business. I was going to get tung oil but reading back through the threads has really confused me now and I don't know what to do. I'm going to ask a question in the finishing section once I've done enough reading to know what I want to ask. At least I don't (always) just dive in and ask the same question everyone else has Shellac isn't durable enough for the shed and I don't want a plastic finish. Tung oil mixed with orange oil or some such thing might be the go but I want to find a sample pack so I can try before buying 20 gallons of it. Any brisbane-centric thoughts appreciated.

You might have to wait a while for those pics. Been a bit of a weekend and of course back at work now, big week ahead...

Originally Posted by Batpig

Any idea of what the weight of the unit is?

Hi Batpig,
When i picked it up they said 219 Kg. the manual says 190 but unsure if that includes the extensions. I unloaded it from the hatch by removing the unassembled parts from the box and then I was able to get the rest out more easily as it was only the main unit. It was still heavy enough though.

Cheers,
Russ

the box says 110 kg. I'd guess 100 - 150 based on shoving the box around.

Originally Posted by Brisruss

When i picked it up they said 219 Kg. the manual says 190 but unsure if that includes the extensions.

Originally Posted by damian

the box says 110 kg. I'd guess 100 - 150 based on shoving the box around.

Dear Russ and Damian,

I'm figuring that you must have the "Cabinet" version Russ, and you've obviously got the "Contractor" version, hey Damian? But they're both 12", right? Gosh I wish someone would do something like yours Damian, except with a machined cast-aluminium top... (and an aluminium housing for the motor while they're at it...). Imagine portable, precise, and quiet - all with a 100mm depth of cut!

Am looking out for those photos Damian, but no hurry whatsoever.

Best Wishes Both,
Batpig.

We have both got the same machine. They only do one machine. They both have sheet steel cabinets and legs, only the tops are cast. It'll never be a triton but with a good castor base it should be trailer transportable. Russ's is remarkably quiet, I haven't fired mine yet. So busy...

I have a question. I got a mobile base from H&F today (I'm going to make another thread about that). Initially I was going to put the swivel castors under the RHS legs, but now I'm not sure, and I sure as hell don't want to do it twice.

Should I put them under the front legs instead ?

I'm still a bit sick and busy just now. Should get the pics on the weekend. Sorry for the delay. Your welcome to come over on the w/e if you want and have a gander, but depends on where you are as Russ is really central and I'm in the bush

Dear Damian,

Originally Posted by damian

We have both got the same machine. They only do one machine.

Okay, I've got it now - the dearer one and the cheaper one are both 12" and on stands; the only significant difference is that the dearer one has a sliding table .

Originally Posted by damian

Initially I was going to put the swivel castors under the RHS legs, but now I'm not sure, and I sure as hell don't want to do it twice. Should I put them under the front legs instead ?

I don't have any, but that sure as heck sounds like a good idea to me because you wouldn't have to rely on the "footbrakes" to stop the thing from swivelling on you during a cut. The only thing is, maybe the swivels might be better off at the back so that you're not always stepping on them when you're setting up for a cut...

Originally Posted by damian

Your welcome to come over on the w/e if you want and have a gander, but depends on where you are as Russ is really central and I'm in the bush

I might take you up on that sometime if I ever get desperate enough to go down the cast-iron route .

Best Wishes,
Batpig.

I was originally interested in buying the cabinet version of this saw due to the excellent value for money, finish and Taiwanese origin (photo attached) but one thing that made me a bit dubious was the 2HP motor (rather than 3HP typical of most 10" saws) and what appeared to be a fairly lightweight carriage casting with a single bearing, narrow belt etc arrangement. Has anyone tried ripping a decent bit of timber yet to see how it goes?.

Thanks

Bill

TTD at coopers plains only have 2 table saws. The one Russ and I bought and a cheapie all steel one that H&F and Carbatec also sell (it's awful). If there is a cabinet version TTD at copers plains don't stock it. I don't know anything about it.

I've been blind ripping 40 yo hardwood fence rails on my triton with an ancient aluminium B&D circular saw for the last 6 months. I would be REALLY surprised if the 2 hp is inadequate. Many of the carbatec saws come with 1.5 hp motors and no one complains about them being underpowered.

The base has brakes on the swivel castors, and yes last night I was thinking about tripping issues. Maybe I'll put them to the back and store the saw front to wall. More thinking. Too busy to do anymore till weekend anyway.

Bll,
That is a different cabinet to the one i got. On mine the dust extractor comes out through the bottom and there are steel legs that bolt on. What looks to be the one on the left showing the router fence is like I have.

Which store was that one at?

Cheers,
Russ

Russ
This cabinet saw has the same basic guts as yours but with cabinet, sliding table etc. They were both on sale together at both South Tweed and at Bundall about 6 weeks or so ago.

Damian - don't get me wrong I am not having a go at your decision to buy the saw or questioning it's ability to do the job just asking a question as other members have mentioned on other strings that they are going to upgrade Jet motors from 2HP to 3HP on 10" saws so logically I need to ask the question considering these are 12" saws. I am still considering the purchase of one myself.

Bill

No stress, sorry it came across that way. Bit flustered by a big week so maybe that's coming through.

Maybe your right, maybe the big blade diameter will bog it down, maybe a question of expectations. If your ripping 4" hardwood you need a sharp rip blade and patient feed rate. Maybe others expect it to go through like hot knife/butter ?

How much was the heavier one and are both miter sliders included ? Don't like sliding tables but curious as I didn't know about that one. Is it 12" ?

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