Thread: saw stop

Originally Posted by kmthor

you are missing my point completely i want to hear from someone that has one and is working with it not someone that went down the shop and took some photos of it.
ie do people test there timber? how often? dose this waist time?
and of course do people leave the override switch on cause its easier?

And you seem to have missed my point in my first response. SS has not been on the OZ market long enough to make a track record. As of March, Brendan had sold 8 saws, 3 of which went to institutions. Of the other five, I guess they don't post here (hard to believe, I know). Have you gone to Sawmill Creek and done a search? Or are you just going to keep banging your head against the wall because it feels so good when you stop?

I hate to say it....in fact it almost kills me to say it....but HB is correct.

It will be very difficult to find someone to testify to the SawStop's competencies within Australia. The longest that anyone has had a SawStop (that we have sold) is 2 months.

That said - I invite you to bring along your wettest, greenest, most moist timber to the Woodworking Show next week and we can see if would set off the brake.

Let's test this thing. SawStop claim that the machine can detect 'wet wood' and shut the machine down before the mechanism is activated. I've not seen that feature yet but I would be keen to witness it. I am confident that the brake won't be activated, but it will still be interesting to see what the SawStop does.

Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke

And you seem to have missed my point in my first response. SS has not been on the OZ market long enough to make a track record. As of March, Brendan had sold 8 saws, 3 of which went to institutions. Of the other five, I guess they don't post here (hard to believe, I know). Have you gone to Sawmill Creek and done a search? Or are you just going to keep banging your head against the wall because it feels so good when you stop?

Ya right are you willing to wade through sawmill creeks bloated archive of threads, there would be hundreds of pages.

One thing you're gonna have to get used to on the internet is every question known to man has been asked and will be asked anew about every 6 months - get used to it or find another hobby.

HB i havent missed your point at all and i have joined and read a lot of info on sawmill creek. the point i was trying to make above was what the thread was origanally about i should have used the word "wanted" not want.

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anyway ruddigar ill see you saturday dont know if you have seen this http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1498586953 but its worth a look

km

Originally Posted by Toolin Around

Ya right are you willing to wade through sawmill creeks bloated archive of threads, there would be hundreds of pages.

One thing you're gonna have to get used to on the internet is every question known to man has been asked and will be asked anew about every 6 months - get used to it or find another hobby.

If that was directed at me, it is badly misplaced. I have answered the same questions on these forums any number of times. The point was that THERE ARE NOT MANY AUSTRALIAN SAWSTOP USERS --so the OP can ask the question over and and over, but until the base is built up, no one can answer.

But, in the US the SS has been around long enough to have been tested. So one can wade through Sawmill's "bloated archives" () and learn something, or one can languish here waiting for the bus that will not be along for a goodish while yet.

kmthor is quite rightly going to see Brendan at the WW show. Good move.

Originally Posted by Ruddigar

Disagree.

The Powermatic PM2000 is the closest quality to this machine. That retails for over $3k.

My mistake, from reading thru threads on the sawstop here for some reason i got the impression the machine was nothing special in the tablesaw arena (minus the safety feature).

I'd love to try some of the treated pine we had delivered to the community shed for a pagola project we are building for the local hospital. It was literally soaking wet, leaving a damp mark on the floor where it was stacked.

So what price are they selling for in Aus at the moment?

Originally Posted by Rattrap

So what price are they selling for in Aus at the moment?

It varies....
Single phase (3hp) machine with 900mm (36") rip - $4,500 +GST
Single phase with 1300mm (52") rip - $4,700 +GST
Three phase (5hp) with 900mm - $4,800 +GST
Three phase with 1300mm - $5,000 +GST


And because I know everyone hates seeing a price with "+GST" on the end;
Single phase, 900mm - $4,950
Single phase, 1300mm - $5,170
Three phase, 900mm - $5,280
Three phase, 1300mm - $5,500

Originally Posted by Ruddigar

And because I know everyone hates seeing a price with "+GST" on the end;

It's not so much about hate as about the Law. Retail Prices are supposed to be quoted including tax. It's fine to quote +GST at wholesale (trade) level.

woodbe

Originally Posted by woodbe

It's fine to quote +GST at wholesale (trade) level.

....which is the market I usually deal with, thus it rolls off my tongue.

I had a guy a few years ago spit the dummy over a machine I sold that stated the machine was $2,000, but as a separate item there was a $200 gst charge on it. We had discussed this at the time of purchase, but he still felt the need to ring me and chastise me.
I asked him to check all the other receipts that he had from items he purchased at the same Working With Wood show and see if the GST was listed. It was stated on every single receipt, because it has to be.

I know that hobbiests want a total price, not a price "+GST", so I am usually conscious of this when quoting to folks. But given the recent questioning of the pricing of the SawStop machine, I felt it necessary this time to let people know how much the government is getting, rather than Gabbett charging 10% more for the sake of it.

thanks Ruddigar

Originally Posted by Ruddigar

The Saw Stop is the closest quality to the Powermatic PM2000 that retails for over $3k.

Edited for accuracy.

Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke

If that was directed at me, it is badly misplaced. I have answered the same questions on these forums any number of times. The point was that THERE ARE NOT MANY AUSTRALIAN SAWSTOP USERS --so the OP can ask the question over and and over, but until the base is built up, no one can answer.

But, in the US the SS has been around long enough to have been tested. So one can wade through Sawmill's "bloated archives" () and learn something, or one can languish here waiting for the bus that will not be along for a goodish while yet.

kmthor is quite rightly going to see Brendan at the WW show. Good move.

So are you gonna spit the dummy when someone asks the question again in six months...

Originally Posted by Toolin Around

So are you gonna spit the dummy when someone asks the question again in six months...

Maybe in 6 months there will be a sufficient base to be able to answer the question.

I just can't understand the hatred that some members are showing towards the Sawstop. If you don't like it fine, but to keep banging on about it, and in a way that shows as having an almost pathological hatred towards it is becoming quite boorish.

What is it about the saw, has it killed a family member, maybe kidnapped a child, or possibly is the cause of a major disaster somewhere in the world?

The only thing I can see is that it might save someones finger. No other saw has this type of feature, so what is the problem, don't you like fingers?

Let me also say, I have never met or spoken to Ruddigar (Brendan) and have no affiliation with Sawstop or Gabbets.