Thread: Table Saws

I only just saw this thread - I would pick the ST-1265. The others are fine saws but you have an excellent sliding table and above table dust extraction - both features I wish I had on my saw.

I would strongly recommend against the ST-1265 as I have a similar saw (older model same cabinet same look same fence slightly different sliding table)
I will be taking apart and accessing it for rebuild, modification potential soon
Issues are
Aluminium sections lack accuracy
The Fence is crap I would reacommend a biesemeyer Style fence
The height winders are plastic
Originonally my saw had a plastic screw (like a sock over metal that crapped out fast) the supplier replaced it with a metal one now the blade doesn't go below the table top about 3mm sticks out at maximum down?
I have more doubts about this saw accuracy and potential the more I read hence I intend to strip it down and see if I can fix its flaws. Failing that I will sell it and replace it with a MBS 300 Clone like the ST-12D with the sliding table
I would bet the 1265 is main land china manufacture and the st-12 is Taiwan made. Taiwan generally equals much better quality. China often Equals Fail!

I would get this
https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/Pr...stockCode=W454

and the sliding able
https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/Pr...stockCode=W458

And still get change out of $3000 AU

Andrew

MBS-300.

About $2800

The Carbatec TSC- 10HB is a really good one, and very popular with members of this Forum. I have never heard a bad word said about it in this forum - quite the contrary.

It is quiet, very powerful, excellent Biesemeyer style fence, good dust extraction, good solid cast iron extension tables. With a zero clearance insert, you don't need above table dust collection. It is a genuine cabinet saw with easy to adjust alignment for blade with mitre slot. Saw arbor and mechanism are attached to the cabinet, not the table - make sure you get this feature of a genuine cabinet saw.

I have even added a Triton extension table to it for ripping very large sheets and crosscutting long boards - works well

Costs about $1,800 - $2,000. Spend the rest on a good 2hp dust collector with 1micron dust cartridge, also sold by Carbatec.

Be wary of JET. Have a look at recent posts in this Forum about poor delivery times, no spares held, poor customer service. I had much the same experience before deciding to go elsewhere. If you are deadset on JET, ask to see the item in stock before ordering.

Originally Posted by Dengue

The Carbatec TSC- 10HB is a really good one, and very popular with members of this Forum. I have never heard a bad word said about it in this forum - quite the contrary.

It is quiet, very powerful, excellent Biesemeyer style fence, good dust extraction, good solid cast iron extension tables. With a zero clearance insert, you don't need above table dust collection. It is a genuine cabinet saw with easy to adjust alignment for blade with mitre slot. Saw arbor and mechanism are attached to the cabinet, not the table - make sure you get this feature of a genuine cabinet saw.

I have even added a Triton extension table to it for ripping very large sheets and crosscutting long boards - works well

Really comes down to the sliding table I take it the sliding tables for the TSC- 10HB are either not available or as rare as hens teeth. That why people retrofit Triton stuff. And thats currently rare as too. Plus IMHO triton is ####!

The TSC-10HB is strongly recommended.

Have a look here and here for good summary.

I found that the sliding table from Carbatec took up too much room in my shed. The Triton extension that I had kept after selling my Triton WC2000 can be easily and quickly attached to the TSC-10HB, and dismantled and stored out of the way. I find that once it is set up during the initial fitting , the Triton extension is dead accurate for all other times I want to use it.

With regards Dengue's comments on JET poor customer service, have a look here

I am currently selling a relatibely unused( only used 1/2 doz times) TSC10-HB in Melbourne - check out the marketplace, its a very good table saw - wife forces sale(

Originally Posted by kiwioutdoors

I would strongly recommend against the ST-1265 as I have a similar saw (older model same cabinet same look same fence slightly different sliding table)
I will be taking apart and accessing it for rebuild, modification potential soon
Issues are
Aluminium sections lack accuracy
The Fence is crap I would reacommend a biesemeyer Style fence
The height winders are plastic


Andrew

Hmm. Its good to know coz its not obvious from the internet pictures and specs. However, it looks like the Hafco 1850 is a very solid machine and it weighs in at 365 kg. I also noticed the Trade Tools direct model with a neat looking sliding table and a massive 425 kg for $2590

Originally Posted by Richard F

I am looking for a new saw to upgrade from my Triton.

The machines I have looked at are:
TSC-10HB and CTH-110L from Carbatec
ST-1265 and ST-12D from Hare & Forbes
Jet 10" JWSS from Woodworking Warehouse

Does anyone have experience of any of these machines? Or any other suggestions.
My budget is up to about $3000.

That's a pretty big bloody "HAND TOOL" you are asking about in the Hand Tools forum

Anyway this question gets asked again and again (I myself asked it 9 months ago)

And what I was first asked in response to this question, is what you want to do with the saw!

Do you really need a sliding table. I have an MBS300 saw and it has the option of a sliding table, but I don't think it would even fit across the width of my workshop and turning my saw around would limit the size of sheet goods i could cut anyway!

I usually end up slicing up my sheet goods on the floor using a straight edge and a circular saw until they get to a more manageable size.

So a lot suggestions have been offered here and some have lamented the absence of sliding tables but you may find as JillB has that even with a sliding table you won't use it or won't be able to use it anyway.

I chose the MBS300 for a variety of reasons and the couple of things i find annoying about it are:
Its a 12" saw so you cannot purchase zero clearance inserts for it. That's not so bad as I can make them, but I do look rather longingly at the aluminium ones with a replacement hardwood kerf and think how useful that would be.

I really hate the overhead suva guard! It's a pain in the #### to use with narrow pieces and even with wide ones it's still pretty painful. I am thinking about replacing the suva with an aftermarket one that swings out of the way when not needed as a result.

What I like about the 12" saw is the extra height. When I eventually get around to making a cross cut sled the extra blade height will come in very handy!

Have a look through the threads in the Table Saws forum they provide a wealth of additional information.

Be aware that WWWH will often discount heavily off the recommended retail price. I know the MBS300 is advertised at 3300 or something, but I had a price from Wanita of somewhere around $2600. I actually had purchased the MBS250 from WWWH for $2200 but the factory shipped the MBS300 by mistake so I got that for the price of the MBS250.

Cheers
Jason

Hi I have the CTH 110L love the saw, very good. The guard moves up and down with the blade. I have made my own overhead guard and a riving knife that is level with the blade, so now I dont have to remove the guard when cutting trenches etc.
I think if you go a search on these saws you will get plenty of answers.

Cheers Jerryj

Originally Posted by Jerryj

Hi I have the CTH 110L love the saw, very good. The guard moves up and down with the blade. I have made my own overhead guard and a riving knife that is level with the blade, so now I dont have to remove the guard when cutting trenches etc.
I think if you go a search on these saws you will get plenty of answers.

Cheers Jerryj

Pictures of that overhead guard of yours would be great

I am one of the many with the TSC-10HB and it is a great saw, but I can't help wishing for a few things that would make things a bit easier:

1. Sliding table. While I use solid timber almost exclusively, a nice sliding action on a table saw is great to use and makes cross cuts, mitre cuts and sawing larger pieces of work very easy and accurate. I can do it with my Incra 1000 SE mitre Gauge and cross-cut sled system, but I love the action of a smooth sliding table,

2. Dust collection. Many cabinet saws just drop the dust in the cabinet and have a 4" hole in them with the vane hope that you can get it out again through using dust extraction with massive suction ability. Very crude indeed and it always needs additional cleaning. Some of the ones available today (including sliders) have a shroud around the blade below the table line connected to internal plumbing to provide more effective dust extraction. They can even have dust extraction over the blade guard as well, which is a significant source for sawdust .

3. I would go for the riving knife setup next time around. It is safer than the fixed splitters on some table saws and because the blade guard can be hinged off the knife, the there is often room enough to accommodate a dust port on the guard.

Originally Posted by TP1

I would go for the riving knife setup next time around. It is safer than the fixed splitters on some table saws and because the blade guard can be hinged off the knife, the there is often room enough to accommodate a dust port on the guard.

Definitely a must! I find I don't always have the overheard guard enabled as it often gets in the way, but the riving knife is always there and I don't remove it except for dados.

I am exploring the purchase of a shark guard to go on the MBS 300 riving knife to replace the overhead guard too.