Thread: Table saw research

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Originally Posted by dazzler

..You may wish to start a new thread on that too just to be safe ....

Do one on rust removal & prevention too.
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Buy a TSC-10HB. There, I've made it easy for you...

Originally Posted by silentC

Buy a TSC-10HB.....

Buy two & send me one.

Heres my 2c worth.

Get the tablesaw that has an independent Riving knife the moves up and down with the blade as well as tilts with the blade. Also make sure it travels up/down in a straight line and not the standard swinging arc.

Not sure, but I think the Jet Eurosaw does this. (I cant believe I just promoted Jet )

I've been doing research on this forum about similar questions. I've been thinking about if I need to ask any specific questions.

In the mean time I've sent a number of PMs to some of the significant contributors to the forum (you know who you are!)

When doing the research on the forum I have to say that there is some very interesting and valuable information out there. But it is a struggle, as there are many off topic diversions along the way and as Woodlee pointed out some of its quite dated.

From my own research I've concluded:

• Determine if size matters - most seem happy with 10" but other swear by 12" For my purposes 10" is plenty big enough to please me.
• Location, Location, Location - where will you put the new device, is space limited and will this mean that sliding tables, extension tables are in or out of the equation. You need to think about portability - wheels could be important
• Use - Most seem to agree that the main choices are suitable for most applications. I will be using it for wood working, of the weekend warrior kind....
• Power requirements - Most saws require a 15amp connection. Hmmm. I think I can do that myself Most come with a painfully short lead so that may impact sighting or factor in a 15 amp extesion cord. You are quite within your rights to make your own 15 amp cable extension cord. The reason I suggest this is that 2-3m is probably perfect but you can't buy a ready made one. You can however, buy the bit, 15amp connectors 1.5mm extension cable (not fixed twin and earth guys).
• Dust extraction - 100mm dust extraction a must. Losts of similar options from various manufactuers - 1200 cfm, with twin 100mm outlets at $350-400 seems to be the best bang for buck.
• Contenders - A quick count on votes on the choices shows that the TSC-10 HD, and Jet Supersaw, 10" JWSS are very popular, with HAFCO ST250, and Leda brands being popular (probably in that order).
• Price for a table saw (rather than a contractors saw) ranges from about $1200 - $2400. HAFCO, Carbatec, Jet, Leda in ascending order I think. Of course the price will vary depending on options - especially the inclusion of blades, and upgrades to mitre gauges.
• Recommendations - Appear to be various, again all seem to agree that the TSC-10 is a good saw, popular choice - but make sure you buy a good blade, and upgrade the mitre guage. The Jet supersaw has many supporters, but there has been some 'concern' raised over the size of its motor (1.75HP). Although most users believe this is a non issue.
• Sliding tables - Seem to be an option for all saws - except that as far as my research has concluded the TSC-10 sliding table has disappeared, very old posts regarding this. Contacting carbatec they said they had some customers who used an MBS-300 sliding table sucessfully - although I don't know anything about this.
• Conclusions - After much reading of posts - many of which have been dry creek beds, I think that the best buy is a solid saw that can be optioned up that is in the middle of the price bracket...Therefore I'm now considering just the TSC10 and ST250. With the view of adding an Incra Fence and Mitre guage. I believe that the lower price and the sliding table for the ST250 are strong arguments for selecting it.....
• Budget - Seriously, I think that you are looking at $2000 - $3000, especially with the incra add ons - although they can come later.

Anyway I'm still doing my research.....

Originally Posted by dazzler

hey Woodlee

You will also need to know how to sharpen chisels.

You may wish to start a new thread on that too just to be safe

cheers and welcome.

I already know how to sharpen chisels and plane irons , as tool maker by trade I also know how to make them , harden them and heat treat them .
Maybe one day I'll let you in on some trade secrets.

Originally Posted by Daddles

I find it interesting that those attacking the 'do a search' response have so few posts against their name while those supporting it have many.

Quite frankly boys, it gets bloody tedious repeating yourself and answering the same flamin' question time after time.

Woodlee, you quoted the time honoured line about the only stupid question being the one not asked, well mate, if you'd given the time to think about your original question, you wouldn't be asking such a broad one, and one that has been covered. The posters with many posts against their name are people who've put a lot of time INTO this forum, not just lurking and taking OUT of it. They are the one's who've put their thoughts and experiences out there to be criticised and to be appreciated. Now put some effort into your search, do some serious thinking and then ask specific questions - do that and you will be entitled to criticise those trying to help you. If you can't spare the time to do YOUR research, don't expect others to give THEIR time doing it for you.

Richard

I don't consider my self a lurker ,I have just joined the forum , and have contributed answers to other sections here .
If the long time members of this forum are sick of the same questions over and over from new members , then don't read them or reply .
Simple.

Originally Posted by spartan

I've been doing research on this forum about similar questions. I've been thinking about if I need to ask any specific questions.

In the mean time I've sent a number of PMs to some of the significant contributors to the forum (you know who you are!)

When doing the research on the forum I have to say that there is some very interesting and valuable information out there. But it is a struggle, as there are many off topic diversions along the way and as Woodlee pointed out some of its quite dated.

From my own research I've concluded:

• Determine if size matters - most seem happy with 10" but other swear by 12" For my purposes 10" is plenty big enough to please me.
• Location, Location, Location - where will you put the new device, is space limited and will this mean that sliding tables, extension tables are in or out of the equation. You need to think about portability - wheels could be important
• Use - Most seem to agree that the main choices are suitable for most applications. I will be using it for wood working, of the weekend warrior kind....
• Power requirements - Most saws require a 15amp connection. Hmmm. I think I can do that myself Most come with a painfully short lead so that may impact sighting or factor in a 15 amp extesion cord. You are quite within your rights to make your own 15 amp cable extension cord. The reason I suggest this is that 2-3m is probably perfect but you can't buy a ready made one. You can however, buy the bit, 15amp connectors 1.5mm extension cable (not fixed twin and earth guys).
• Dust extraction - 100mm dust extraction a must. Losts of similar options from various manufactuers - 1200 cfm, with twin 100mm outlets at $350-400 seems to be the best bang for buck.
• Contenders - A quick count on votes on the choices shows that the TSC-10 HD, and Jet Supersaw, 10" JWSS are very popular, with HAFCO ST250, and Leda brands being popular (probably in that order).
• Price for a table saw (rather than a contractors saw) ranges from about $1200 - $2400. HAFCO, Carbatec, Jet, Leda in ascending order I think. Of course the price will vary depending on options - especially the inclusion of blades, and upgrades to mitre gauges.
• Recommendations - Appear to be various, again all seem to agree that the TSC-10 is a good saw, popular choice - but make sure you buy a good blade, and upgrade the mitre guage. The Jet supersaw has many supporters, but there has been some 'concern' raised over the size of its motor (1.75HP). Although most users believe this is a non issue.
• Sliding tables - Seem to be an option for all saws - except that as far as my research has concluded the TSC-10 sliding table has disappeared, very old posts regarding this. Contacting carbatec they said they had some customers who used an MBS-300 sliding table sucessfully - although I don't know anything about this.
• Conclusions - After much reading of posts - many of which have been dry creek beds, I think that the best buy is a solid saw that can be optioned up that is in the middle of the price bracket...Therefore I'm now considering just the TSC10 and ST250. With the view of adding an Incra Fence and Mitre guage. I believe that the lower price and the sliding table for the ST250 are strong arguments for selecting it.....
• Budget - Seriously, I think that you are looking at $2000 - $3000, especially with the incra add ons - although they can come later.

Anyway I'm still doing my research.....

Well hopefully my originaI post has given you a list to look at and latest prices.
Some of the machine model numbers quoted in the older posts are no longer in use .
Any way I have narrowed down my list to four machines ,and I will make my decision soon .I will be in Adelaide next week for work reasons and if I can swipe some time from my job requirements I hope to visit Ledacraft to view their offering.

The four that I have short listed are :
Hafco SB10H
Leda 2325CB
CarbaTec CT10 ST
Jet JWTS -10LFR

Cheers and Thanks

Thats a good unbiased reply Spartan, have a greeny!

All I can offer is dont get any less than a ST250, I have compared some of these saws(only by eye not actual usage)and the TSC in the 10" range is the pick for a workhorse but it does have less features than the st250, but the extra feature the ST has can be got around very easily... especially considering your a tool maker!
And we've had one member(in pommy land) send his ST back because it was problematic(the docking feature, its the nonslider model tho).

Makes me wonder if some of your 5444 other contributions were ?? too?
Still say your replys are misanthropic Craigb You and the self confessed Grump Daddles may not agree but that's you right and I defend your right..............
All I am saying is don't assume that "lurkers" don't do a search before posting. (or is there some way you can tell if they have or not?)
By the way I'm happy to be a lurker under your definitions but I will say what I feel is helpfull to genuine discussion when I feel I can contribute something helpfull - especially to people asking good current questions.
As they say its not quantity but quality

Originally Posted by Salty

As they say its not quantity but quality

When do we get to see the quality?

And the something helpful for that matter?

All you've done so far is flame me for expressing an opinion.

Woodlee,
As other members of the forum have said this is one of the topics that has been discussed many times, and everyone has there own idea as to which is the most satisfactory for their situation. I purchased a Carba-tec 12 inch panel saw with scribing blade and table (Ts12ss) about five months ago, and it is excellent, may be too large for some members workshops but it's certainly the one.However there is always pitfals, the price was $5,000, they are on sale at the moment for $500 off, and where you live in the N.T. freight is a killer as you mentioned, firms like Carba-tec will certainly look after you but trying to get around the $300 - $400 freight may be hard for them to arrange.They also make a 10 inch saw in a couple of different configerations and price ranges, so a phone call may be the go.

Best of Luck,
Cheers,
Ron.

Originally Posted by rona

Woodlee,
As other members of the forum have said this is one of the topics that has been discussed many times, and everyone has there own idea as to which is the most satisfactory for their situation. I purchased a Carba-tec 12 inch panel saw with scribing blade and table (Ts12ss) about five months ago, and it is excellent, may be too large for some members workshops but it's certainly the one.However there is always pitfals, the price was $5,000, they are on sale at the moment for $500 off, and where you live in the N.T. freight is a killer as you mentioned, firms like Carba-tec will certainly look after you but trying to get around the $300 - $400 freight may be hard for them to arrange.They also make a 10 inch saw in a couple of different configerations and price ranges, so a phone call may be the go.

Best of Luck,
Cheers,
Ron.

Thanks Ron
Freight is a major consideration it turns a 1000.00 dollar item into a 1400.00 or 1500.00 item.