Thread: Is the W446 TS-251 - Table Saw (240V) 254mm same with Ozito 1500W Table saw?

The first two certainly appear to be the same machines, just with a few differences in the fence and mitre gauge. Capacities and power are the same. If they do really have 2hp motors they will have enough power to do what you want.
You say precision is not critical which is good as you won't get that with either of them without a lot of tinkering around. The fence is not very robust and is only short, so putting longer lengths through will allow variations in your rip cuts. The H&F unit states that the rip capacity is only 180mm, so I assume the Ozito would be the same. Hopefully you don't need to cut any wider than that.
The blade that comes with them is 24 tooth which would be okay for ripping, but will cause a bit of tearout when crosscutting.
The third saw in your list is 3hp which will require a 15amp outlet to plug in to.
Your best option would be to see if you can pick up a secondhand saw with a cast iron top. These are usually more accurate and robust, with greater capacity of cut.

There is an identical saw to the first two you refer to at the tree loppers yard where I occasionally mill up some timber. I've used that saw quite a bit to cut up 1" thick strips of pine to keep timber slabs separated.

It is also supposed to be 2HP but it struggles to rip anything thicker than about 2".
It is also very light so it was very easy to tip over until we made a sort of outrigger for it by bolting two long pieces of 35 x 70 mm pine to the underneath of the legs.

Those two issues to one side, I have to say it has taken a fair bit of a hammering and seems to have stood up to it.

Originally Posted by Treecycle

The first two certainly appear to be the same machines, just with a few differences in the fence and mitre gauge. Capacities and power are the same. If they do really have 2hp motors they will have enough power to do what you want.
You say precision is not critical which is good as you won't get that with either of them without a lot of tinkering around. The fence is not very robust and is only short, so putting longer lengths through will allow variations in your rip cuts. The H&F unit states that the rip capacity is only 180mm, so I assume the Ozito would be the same. Hopefully you don't need to cut any wider than that.
The blade that comes with them is 24 tooth which would be okay for ripping, but will cause a bit of tearout when crosscutting.
The third saw in your list is 3hp which will require a 15amp outlet to plug in to.
Your best option would be to see if you can pick up a secondhand saw with a cast iron top. These are usually more accurate and robust, with greater capacity of cut.

Thanks for your comments. I am keeping an eye out for a second hand unit, but suitable units appear thin on the ground, or much too big and definitely not very easily moved. I hoped the third unit was only 10 amp, assuming max draw 2200 watts and 240 volts, gives a little under 10 amps, but I could not see anything definite and will have to check. Rip capacity does bother me a bit although I suppose I could use a straight edge and my old 10" GMC circular saw for bits too big, but then why not get a bigger capacity on the TS? Much to think about

Regards

wwol

Originally Posted by BobL

There is an identical saw to the first two you refer to at the tree loppers yard where I occasionally mill up some timber. I've used that saw quite a bit to cut up 1" thick strips of pine to keep timber slabs separated.

It is also supposed to be 2HP but it struggles to rip anything thicker than about 2".
It is also very light so it was very easy to tip over until we made a sort of outrigger for it by bolting two long pieces of 35 x 70 mm pine to the underneath of the legs.

Those two issues to one side, I have to say it has taken a fair bit of a hammering and seems to have stood up to it.

Thanks BobL, some comfort there. Did that unit have the extension sides fitted?

Regards

wol

Originally Posted by Wol

. . . . . I hoped the third unit was only 10 amp, assuming max draw 2200 watts and 240 volts, gives a little under 10 amps, . . . . . .

The power rating of most power tools is only some sort of nominal maximum working value but normally they develop less power than this when free running and can develop a lot more than this when under high load.

My 3HP/12" TS on start up draws around 24A
It's definitely a 3HP motor (more like 3.2 HP) because I have measured this on my HP meter.
However s draws ~ 3A with no load on the blade and it's thermal cut out switch kicks in after about 20s running at ~17A
Of course it depends on wood type cutting rate, saw blade type, sharpness etc but 6A will cut 3/4" pine, 10A will cut 2" dry jarrah and 12A will cut 75 mm dry jarrah

Now you can see why it has a 15A plug on it.

I must be losing the plot. There are two big icons here http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/W443 on the LHS saying 240v and 10 amp plug. Just to be sure I will be sending an email to find out as alas my shed does not have a 15 amp socket.

Originally Posted by Wol

I must be losing the plot. There are two big icons here http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/W443 on the LHS saying 240v and 10 amp plug. Just to be sure I will be sending an email to find out as alas my shed does not have a 15 amp socket.

Obviously you're on the other side of the country as the icons are on the RHS on my screen. I didn't even notice those when I looked, but from previous experience, anything above 2hp came with 15amp plugs. Maybe it is not really 2200W, just badged that way.
I will be interested to hear what you are told.

Ah the other left ! I received an email confirming that they were definitely 10amp 240volt plugs. Perhaps because of the use of an induction motor?

Regards

Wol

I finally got a chance to visit H&F here and look at the W446 and clones. It really seemed very flimsy and the fence hopeless.

The W443 Scheppach HS120 was clearly much better. About $350 with voucher, and quite solid. The Fence seemed quite stiff and solid when clamped and the small sliding table ran very well and the mitre seemed pretty good. The table legs were pretty light weight but adequate, and the table surface pressed steel quite flat. There were no standard mitre slots, and the tape measure seemed pretty doubtfful. Overall though quite impressive.

But, and it is a big but, looking at the SB12 and similar it was obvious that these machines were much more capable, albeit at a weight, size, and cost penalty. And here creeping featuritis struck. IF I was only intending some accurate carpentry then the HS120 would be ideal, fairly accurate, very mobile, fairly cheap. But I would want to do a bit more woodworking and cabinet making, and it is just too small and probably inaccurate for that.

So I have decided to rethink this, and maybe get a Carbatec or Leda 10" contractors saw, which I think are the only 10 amp bigger saws around, and which are just mobile enough to drag out of the shed. I have not seen any 12" table saws at 10 amps. Unfortunately the second hand market for this stuff is woeful, so I may have to bite the bullet and buy new.

Regards

This is the same saw as mine except mine was sold under their own brand name. It is a 12" capacity saw and 2 hp.
http://www.majorwoodworking.com.au/w...os-tablesaw-1/

Thanks Treecycle,

That looks like a good choice too.

It seems a second hand 5 yr old, but barely used Jet 10" proshop saw might be available for about a <$1100, which maybe good value. It is a bit hard to know though if such a saw second hand is better than a new 10 inch saw of supposedly lesser quality which includes warranty. I will make further enquiries.

Regards