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Thread: Carbatec CTJ-350 Jointer Warning
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5th June 2012, 07:53 PM #1Member
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Carbatec CTJ-350 Jointer Warning
Hi all,
I'm very sorry to say my first post is a bit of a grizzle.
This is a friendly warning to those with Carbatec jointers. I watched a very informative Youtube video on jointer setup..... ( [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO746cuRqV4"]118 - Jointer Setup - YouTube[/ame] )
The part covering the alignment of the infeed table was particularly helpful. I would recommend this to anyone who hasn't done this on their jointer. The table alignment uses four eccentric sleeves to raise or lower each corner of the table. On this video, the adjustments were able to be made using a socket tool. Very easy and convenient. However, on the CTJ-350 (and all other carbatec jointers), I needed a 'C' spanner with two pins. I bought this from Carbatec and went home to start the process only to find that this tool can't be used on all the adjusters! Parts of the jointer body are in the way. I called Carbatec who said 'we know about this but it's the only tool we have for this adjustment.'
So first up, they have sold me a tool that can't be used for what it's designed for.
The next problem I had was with rotating the eccentric adjusters. Let me say first that I bought mine second hand so I don't know whether to blame the previous owner or the manufacturer. Each adjuster is held by a grub screw from going out of adjustment . So far so good. I loosened each grub screw and proceeded to make my adjustments. Two of the eccentric adjusters, however, were impossible to rotate using the tool I bought. I started to use (horror of horrors) a hammer and punch. They started to rotate but of course damage started to occur. I figured that maybe some corrosion had seized them up so I disassembled the infeed table to clean out the corrosion and grease the adjusters. To my utter surprise I discovered that two of the grub screws were duplicated. i.e. the grub screw holding the adjuster in place was, in turn, being held by another grubscrew!! So loosening the screw did not free up the adjuster. No wonder they were hard to turn.
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why the previous owner would go out of their way to buy extra grub screws and fit them. Neither can I understand why the factory would do this either. Each thread was fine and the screws were clearly doing their job without the secondary screw.
So that's my warning.....watch out for double grub screws if you are tuning your jointer.
Sorry this was so long winded but it needed a full explanation.
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6th June 2012, 07:13 PM #2Taking a break
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Double grub screws are not unheard of, our jointer and bandsaws at work have them as well. AFAIK, they serve the same purpose as double nuts, the second one is there to apply pressure to the first one so that it can't slip - a potential issue with vibrations.
I'd suggest that it's actually GOOD a sign because it means that the manufacturer has gone to the extra length of putting a lock grub screw in.
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6th June 2012, 10:13 PM #3Member
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Thanks for that comment. Somebody else made the same suggestion to me. I guess it would have been nice if the owner's manual covered table alignment and this may have then been included. Would have saved me a great deal of trouble.
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16th June 2012, 12:35 AM #4New Member
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In defence of the CTJ 350
I wouldn't be so unhappy with your choice of jointer second hand or otherwise. You should be so lucky that the Carbatec jointer has this parallelogram adjustment. Nearly every other jointer on the market relies on a sliding dovetail affair which means that there is no adjustment other than how it came out of the factory. Given years of use and general wear and tear this sliding dovetail system means that the infeed table will inevitably develop a dip and will no longer be coplanar with the outfeed table. Not the most ideal situation given a jointer's intended purpose. At least with the CTJ-350 as with most of the carbatec jointers any irregularities can be adjusted out (in both planes) regardless of whether or not they were made by either the manufacturer or the previous owner.
As well this parallelogram setup means that regardless of how little or how much you take off by adjusting the depth cut on the infeed table, the stock is always supported as best as it could possibly be as the end of the table follows the same arc as the cutter head. This is opposed to the sliding dovetail mechanism where the infeed table falls away from the cutter head leaving an ever increasing gap relative to the depth of cut. This in turn means your stock is nowhere near as well supported as it spans the gap between the end of the infeed table and the cutter head.
To the best of my knowledge the only other readily available make that has this same parallelogram feature is Powermatic and even then it is only found on their higher end models. All in all, despite the lack of instructions which I admit is frustrating I think you have made a good choice. Given the lack of instructions and how difficult and time absorbing it is to tune a jointer in this fashion, maybe there is an assumption on the manufacturer's part that the average end user/customer shouldn't or wouldn't bother with such a task and thus the rationale behind the factory pre-set with the double grub screws in place
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