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    Default Horizontal Cutting with a Spindle Moulder / Shaper

    Hi All,

    I was wondering if I could get an opinion from some experienced woodworkers on something I started doing today but then decided against (I didn't feel comfortable with it in the end).

    On the set up below I have my spindle moulder set up holding a 250mm circular saw blade to cut the walls of a bridle joint. Initially I thought that this set up would be better than a tall fence on my table saw because it would stabilise the workpiece better (I don't have a bandsaw). I reduced the speed of the spindle to 4400rpm which is similar to the table saw.

    Because of the size of the blade the cowl that came with the machine would not fit but since I was not going to be ejecting anything I was ok with that. Also because I was only doing a partial depth cut in relatively stiff wood I wasn't really expecting any binding which might cause kickback.

    The spindle is pretty close to being vertical but the front of the blade was about 0.15mm closer to the table than the back which I wasn't super happy about. I guess I was a little bit concerned that the blade might trap the workpiece to the table but perhaps I was being over cautious?

    I've always heard that if you don't feel comfortable with something then you should just stop so I decided that was probably wise to follow that advice. I would be interested to get some thoughts if anyone has done this or if there is anything glaringly dangerous (aside from having no guard).

    Please be kind

    Cheers,

    Rich


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    Good for you! You didnt feel comfortable so you didnt. If only everyone took that approach. When moulding under the cutter I always use an auto feeder.
    Fifty years in the trade and still have all fitted appendages.

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    Fitting a saw blade to a spindle moulder is certainly an option, but I don’t think I’d be doing it with a 250mm blade. I think you forgot to post the pic of your setup.

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    I've been involved in some pretty funky moulder setups and I'm not a fan of this one. I'd be getting a smaller blade (5-6") and having it bored out to suit your spindle. It won't cost too much and will both reduce the effect of the spindle being slightly off square and allow you to use the guard.

    Power feed is, of course, a must.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richardwhitfiel View Post

    The spindle is pretty close to being vertical but the front of the blade was about 0.15mm closer to the table than the back which I wasn't super happy about. I guess I was a little bit concerned that the blade might trap the workpiece to the table but perhaps I was being over cautious?


    Please be kind

    Cheers,

    Rich
    Strange that the spindle is only close to being vertical and the blade is sitting off. what sort of spindle moulder is it ?

    It'd be good to see your picture .

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    Your trying to cut these on a spindle moulder? You need to run them across the blade either on a sliding table. Some spindle moulders have them. Or they can be added on. Or you make a sled that holds the pieces to run through the blade that is properly supported and cant fall off. That could mean an extra table or stand made to take it out front. And then all the guarding then gets fitted. If your standard stuff doesn't fit then you make it from scratch out of wood and fit it . There's got to be no chance of anything going wrong.

    I cant see how power feeding the ends of pieces like that can be done . It cant unless the power feeder is pushing the sled through. Or some fitting with a fence on it . A table or a sled is all it could be . Or some conveyor belt system.

    Its the same on a table saw. You cant just use the saw and its fence and push such stuff through standing up hoping it wont get kicked out on you . I do stuff like that on my table saw and I have a tall add on fence that clamps on to my normal fence that sits left of the blade. Then a long set of finger boards sit right side that are adjustable that I made that clamps to the saws table. They run the length of the fence and cover the blade height. And I have a special push block . I do fielded panels on this and beveled drawer bottoms . If I wanted to do bridal joints I would need to fit an extra piece and it would work . I could have 9 year olds pushing stuff through this set up as its not possible for anything to touch the blade or get kicked back .

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    Quote Originally Posted by auscab View Post
    Strange that the spindle is only close to being vertical and the blade is sitting off. what sort of spindle moulder is it ?
    0.15mm over 125mm is 0.07 degrees or 4 arc minutes. That would be well and truly within tolerance for any manufacturer.

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    Make a sled that slides along the table and runs against the fence or the edge of the table. Put a cross fence stop on it and hold the timber workpiece down with toggle clamps.

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    Not a big difference between the saw blade and a tenon head. You would need a sliding table or very heavy sled.

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