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    Default Woodman 15" Planer

    I have an old DeWalt 10" Planer Thicknesser and i want to upgrade to someting that id a lot more efficient , powerful, with a wider cutting area. Anyone tried one of these?
    Woodman 15'' Planer - Major Woodworking Equipment
    Perhaps you might offer some alternatives based on experience, features that might make a difference, price etc etc?

    Also, This one is described as a "Planer", looks every bit a "Thicknesser" but I make the assumption it does both? As in neaten / square up what I want to thickness?
    Thanks for any help
    Terry

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    That really is a thicknesser. Planers are the more common term for what most woodies refer to as jointers or at least that was what they were called when I did my apprenticeship back in the day.

    Stewie

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    That one looks good, I'm also looking for a thicknesser and have these two on the short list.
    Carba-Tec® 15" Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC
    SYDNEY TOOLS - Dewalt 1800W 13" Inch Planer Thicknesser - DW735-XE
    Have ruled out spiral heads due o the expense of replacing the bits.

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    Default I like the "Carba Tec" AKA as "Grizzly"

    [QUOTE=Have ruled out spiral heads due o the expense of replacing the bits.[/QUOTE]
    Hi Andrew,
    I have been looking around a bit more and am thinking the Carba Tec 15" as it is similar spec but cheaper. As for the spiral heads, the more I read, the more interested I get. The longevity of the bits compared to the Buzzer knives is apparently very significant and there are comments i have read where they say that the spiral heads are as much as 50% quieter, allied with what seems to be a much better finish, they seem a great idea. Only thing is the Carba Tec 15 with them fitted is $2999 as compared to the $1769 without.
    Carba-Tec® Deluxe 15" Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC
    In stock, up the road from me, it seems a great deal, but without the Spiral Cutter head....

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    50% quieter does sound good doesn't it!
    Maybe the bits are cheaper directly imported, if so then its a different story Currently from carbatec would cost $600ish to repace.
    Currently woodworking 4 days a week now... how do you rekon one of these would hold up. Mostly thicknessing short pieces for decorative items.
    Carba-Tec® 13" Spiral Head Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC
    Not so many bits to replace (26) when the time comes so $300ish

    Oh and you can always change to a spiral head with the 15 inch machine as well down the track.

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    Default Your Call as yo how it would go...BUT

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew7; how do you rekon one of these would hold up. Mostly thicknessing short pieces for decorative items.
    [URL="http://www.carbatec.com.au/carba-tec-13-spiral-head-thicknesser_c22174"
    Carba-Tec® 13" Spiral Head Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC[/URL]
    Not so many bits to replace (26) when the time comes so $300ish

    Oh and you can always change to a spiral head with the 15 inch machine as well down the track.
    The Portability, the width allied with the Spiral Cutter head installed all speak for themselves and if I wasn't the type that seems push too hard, with what I ask of my machines, meaning that I wauld rather have something bigger and stronger than what I usually need, I would probably get one. But I am thinking a Heavy, powerful moveable in my workshop type machine and the only way I can up on this one from what I can tell is to get some 3 phase power and buy a used Industrial machine or three,
    So being a Single Phase and 15A proposition, I am looking at the 15" and a Harvey 3 Horse power 300 mm Table Saw. I'd be interested in knowing
    how much of a hassle it is changing buzzer knives...

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    For only a little more you could buy a 3hp single phase 20" machine, also movable

    Carba-Tec® 20" Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC

    they can also be had with 3 phase, or you can upgrade to the spiral head for another $2k or so

    Spiral Head 20" Industrial Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC

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    Default Happy with the one I got i think

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Shed View Post
    For only a little more you could buy a 3hp single phase 20" machine, also movable

    Carba-Tec® 20" Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC

    they can also be had with 3 phase, or you can upgrade to the spiral head for another $2k or so

    Spiral Head 20" Industrial Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC
    I just bought this one Carba-Tec® Deluxe 15" Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC
    Got a dust extractor to accompany it for $2100 ish. I'll be picking it up on Saturday morning and hop to have a review at some point. I will try to get along with 3 knife cutter head for now, but i can imagine a byrd shelix 15 Cutter Conversion taking place eventually.
    I looked at those 2 in your link, but just can't justify the extra outlay...So pretty happy with that

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    Cool, let me know how you go!
    Why is the deluxe version better BTW?

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    Default Have a look at the pic of each one...

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew7 View Post
    Cool, let me know how you go!
    Why is the deluxe version better BTW?
    The cheaper one has the motor mounted in a pretty strange position and right in the way of things,
    Here is a quote from the description of the "Deluxe"
    "One distinct advantage you'll find with this machine is the low mounting of the motor - this allows space for the rollers that are fitted at the top of the machine, allowing you to feed and return material for repeated passes instead of carrying the material back to the infeed side by hand"
    I figured that for the extra $200, it was a distraction I could do without!

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    Default Byrd Shelix content

    As I mentioned yesterday, I bought the CarbaTec 15" Thicknesser and am sure that I will enjoy it, BUT overnight, it was very hot, I couldn't sleep and of course my mind turned to thinking. I wanted to have the spiral cutter head installed at some point, I worked out (Plan A) that it would be cheaper to but the Byrd Shelix, import it and install it myself, rather than buying the machine at $2999 (Plan B) with the Spiral Cutter head fitted. the differential was about $1250 and I was certainly going to have a reasonable saving by going with Plan A. But, I spoke with my wife and she encouraged me to just buy the more expensive option, with the head already installed. So I called the fellow who sold it to me and explained that I was going to move up to the Spiral head 15
    Spiral Head 15" Industrial Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC
    He said that although the Spiral Head is obviously the way to go, that this particular head (in this machine) was going to be working very hard if you were intending to "hog" into the job, meaning that you are therefore restricted in how much material you might want to remove in a single pass.
    I asked if this was the same if I bought the Byrd Shelix Cutter head and he said no, that it would be a much better proposition and would work real well.
    So, as they don't sell the BS15 Head and can't offer me something that works as well, I thought this to be a good honest appraisal, which sends me back to plan A...
    ASi I am wondering if anyone here has had any experience and or opinions with the abovementioned?

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    Around about 2003/2004 I brought a Carbatec 15" thicknesser and 8" long bed jointer. Both had 3 blade cutter heads. To sharpen the blades was a bit of an exercise and I eventually brought my own blade grinder to do them at home.

    In August 2012 I brought an 8" helical cutter head (Chinese version) from Woodcraft Supplies in Queensland, delivered to Perth cost me $630. A few months latter I brought the Byrd 15" helical cutter head direct from Byrd in the US, delivered to Perth it was around the $600 mark (I don't have the details with me for the moment), I know I was amazed at how cheap by comparison the local (Qld) purchase. In no way whatsoever do I regret doing the conversions and will not go back to the old 3 blade cutter heads.

    On the helical heads each cutter has 4 sharp edges so when one is damaged or blunt (which I think would be difficult to tell) then it just needs to be turned to a new edge.

    One way you should look at is to purchase a secondhand 3 blade head machine and replace the head with a helical head. An example of this is one of the members "Derek" recently had his 8" long bed jointer advertised under the Market Place for an exceptionally low price, it sold very quick.
    Experienced in removing the tree from the furniture

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    Default Last Update. I hope!

    For those who are thinking of going down this road, if you look at the pic that shows the actual cutter in this link Carba-Tec® Deluxe 15" Thicknesser : CARBA-TEC
    You see it looks very different to this Grizzly.com
    Clearly from my previous post, they work differently and the first one apparently puts much more load on the machine.
    So I have ordered the Byrd Shelix 15 and will install it when I have it. A review on how much of a hassle that part was for an impatient type like me. In fact I am really looking forward to setting all of this up.

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    Yep that looks like the go, replacement heads are less than half the price too, although not factoring in shipping..... interesting : )

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    Hi,
    i'm in a similar boat, i am looking for a 15" thicknesser and planning to fit a helix cutter.
    The BS15 cutter head..... does it fit the carbatec 15" delux thicknesser and the carbatec 15" economy thicknesser or just the delux??
    (i had the economy unit a while back (before a fire took my workshop away) and liked the fact that the table stays at the same height and the cutter goes up and down).

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