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    Quote Originally Posted by jpdv View Post
    Trade tools probably lose some sales because their online catalogue is ‘quirky’... It doesn’t show their lower end 8’’ grinder at all, but I reckon it’s a bit of steal... rated for light trade/diy, Garrick BG8 UT (UT for ‘utility’). $109, and proper steel construction, great little motor that runs near silent- all you hear is the ‘thrumming’ of the wheels when spun up. 2 year warranty- can’t go wrong at the price, which is the same as Bunnings plasticy Ryobi smaller offering...knock up your own rests etc and you’re set for many years use. Very solid bit of kit at a stupid price point.Attachment 460572
    That was a great finding, it's a bit bigger than what I was looking for and maybe I've to get what I find around.
    I got Trade Tools in my bookmarks but I gave up searching their online catalog because the items are difficult to find, like I was looking for a 12mm hss drill bit and had to go through all 190+ displayed items which is time consuming also frustrating.
    I wish they had a store in Victoria because I like to visit and buy when there are good deals.
    Cheers mate.

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    I couldn't find the Garrick Grinder on the Trade Tools Website but I did find it on the Toolmart website.

    At $119 you are basically getting what you pay for, a light duty, low power and efficiency machine.
    1/2HP is too light for an 8" grinder and it will stall easily under load. Its fine for a 6" grinder but I reckon at least 3/4HP is needed for an 8".
    Cheap grinders and tools are a lottery. One buyer might get a decent one with low vibe, low runout etc while others might not.

    I bought a cheap 10" grinder about 15 years ago, despite repeated attempts I could never balance the vibe out of it and after about 5 years of trying I sold it in frustration

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    I bought a cheap 10" grinder about 15 years ago, despite repeated attempts I could never balance the vibe out of it and after about 5 years of trying I sold it in frustration
    Cheap Chinese manufacturers have improved the quality a lot during these years so I hope their products are a better value for the money.
    And as I said in the US there are many good choices but the delivery cost kills the deal.
    What about the Linishall BG6 on the Toolmart web site?
    It's $169 but smaller, with light and looks like better quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allfix View Post
    Cheap Chinese manufacturers have improved the quality a lot during these years so I hope their products are a better value for the money.
    And as I said in the US there are many good choices but the delivery cost kills the deal.
    What about the Linishall BG6 on the Toolmart web site?
    It's $169 but smaller, with light and looks like better quality.
    There is something wrong with the claimed power ratings on the Linishall.
    450W output for 2A or 480W input makes it 94% efficient which is impossible for a small single phase motor, only very high end large 3 phase motors can achieve this.

    Single phase motors < 1 HP are typically 60% efficient
    The 8" Garrick is 59% efficient and the 8" Abbot and Ashley is 66% efficient which is much more likely.

    A 2A/480W input @ 60% efficiency makes it a 288W output motor which is much more likely.
    The 6" Abbot and Ashby from Hare and Forbes is 280W output and is comparable, and is $37 cheaper.
    OTOH the Linishall has a light, wheel dresser and cast iron tool rests which probably make it a better overall deal.
    If you already have a light and a wheel dresser then I'd go for the Abbot and Ashby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    I couldn't find the Garrick Grinder on the Trade Tools Website but I did find it on the Toolmart website.

    At $119 you are basically getting what you pay for, a light duty, low power and efficiency machine.
    1/2HP is too light for an 8" grinder and it will stall easily under load. Its fine for a 6" grinder but I reckon at least 3/4HP is needed for an 8".
    Cheap grinders and tools are a lottery. One buyer might get a decent one with low vibe, low runout etc while others might not.

    I bought a cheap 10" grinder about 15 years ago, despite repeated attempts I could never balance the vibe out of it and after about 5 years of trying I sold it in frustration
    hmmm. I think there’s a little bit of tool snobbery there... This thing won’t stall under any sort of load I’m going to use it for, which has already included annealed 1098 steel and plane blade blanks, and tempered HSS, of direct relevance to the origin of the thread. I wouldn’t be trying to grind a truck leaf spring to a different profile on it, but for normal hobbyist/light trade, it has more than enough power- in my opinion. Totally agree on the lottery with really cheap stuff, but this doesn’t feel cheap at all; the corners cut to meet the price point appear to be minimalist rests and no additional gimmicks- all of which I prefer to do myself anyway... of interest, I ‘think’ it’s an unbranded variant of the Linishall, as it looks identical less the bits and pieces- and has the same model code. Does anyone know if Garrick/Linishall are one and the same? Not clear (possibly deliberately) on their website.

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    Power efficiency isn't a big issue as I'll mainly grind small stuff like drill bits, screw drivers, scalpels and even screws.
    And regarding the opinionable technical description I'm used to it when buying anything electrical, another example is when choosing mobile phones and power banks, marketing always plays the best misleading part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allfix View Post
    Power efficiency isn't a big issue as I'll mainly grind small stuff like drill bits, screw drivers, scalpels and even screws.
    Sure I agree, for actual use the absolute power is what matters, but efficiency is important because lost power is converted to heat and this will reduce its longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpdv View Post
    hmmm. I think there’s a little bit of tool snobbery there... .
    You need to look in my power tool cupboard, plenty of Ozito's in there.

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    [QUOTE]You need to look in my power tool cupboard, plenty of Ozito's in there. /QUOTE]

    A very fair comment mate... Couldn't agree more, whatever does the job adequately at a sensible cost/benefit point. One of my favourite tools is actually my small Ozito chopsaw. I don't use it for woodworking as such, as I've got better kit for that, but the little ripper has chopped its way through 3 years worth of wet firewood (on the one supplied carbide tipped blade!!) without a single hitch: whatever I can fit under the blade guard, it crunches through it with no dramas. hardwood, softwood, gnarly bark, dead cane toads, horrible big nasty ants nests, lumps of mud - it happily snarls through them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    You need to look in my power tool cupboard, plenty of Ozito's in there.
    I prefer to spend a bit more so I mainly buy Metabo and Bosch blue line, but recently I had to buy an entry level Ozito mitre saw due to its very affordable price and I must say it's more than ok, just I've to be careful and not pushing hard.

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    At the risk of drifting off topic...<leans back in recliner, dons reading glasses, sips warm milk...>

    When I was young I began my mechanics apprenticeship thinking I should buy the best of everything. After splashing on stahwille spanners and kinpex pliers and cutters I went looking for some sockets. By this time I'd learned a thing or 2.

    I bought a pair of SK ratchets as a set and then a bunch of no name chrome vanadium 3/8 drive sockets. The mechanics and other apprentices laughed at me. We were looking after F series ambulances. Those little things will break! You should have heard the cackles when they saw the 3/8 universal!

    Well I pulled more trannies than I can remember, and 9" diffs, brakes and everything else we did week in and week out. I've still got those ratchets, every socket (except ones I've lost) and that universal is still tight. My stahwille spanners are looking rather rusty these days but most of my no name tools are still doing their jobs. I'd never buy off brand vice grips (most wonderful tool ever invented behind the hammer), but there are plenty of situations where cheap tools will get it done just fine...The trick is knowing what you can get away with.
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    [QUOTE=jpdv;2154472]
    You need to look in my power tool cupboard, plenty of Ozito's in there. /QUOTE]

    A very fair comment mate... Couldn't agree more, whatever does the job adequately at a sensible cost/benefit point. One of my favourite tools is actually my small Ozito chopsaw. I don't use it for woodworking as such, as I've got better kit for that, but the little ripper has chopped its way through 3 years worth of wet firewood (on the one supplied carbide tipped blade!!) without a single hitch: whatever I can fit under the blade guard, it crunches through it with no dramas. hardwood, softwood, gnarly bark, dead cane toads, horrible big nasty ants nests, lumps of mud - it happily snarls through them all.
    Most of the Ozito gear I bought when I couldn't afford anything better. The demolition hammer was cheaper to buy than to rent a decent one for a day and it is now some 14? years old - still works fine. The ROS is about 17 years old and turns my arms to jelly if I use it for about 15 minutes. The 17 year old Biscuit joiner has lost a few of its "bits and pieces" - gets used once a year or so for basic biscuit cutting. The Angle grinder is about 20 years old and has been flogged merciless from cutting limestone blocks to large bits of steel and still haven't gone through a set of brushes yet. I chucked away a few dead ones like the cordless driver, the small corded circular

    My corded power tools are mostly Bosch, routers are Tritons, and a Festool ROS. Cordless gear is all Makita. Most of my machinery is 3 Phase running on VFDs.

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