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    Default High-End Drill Presses, Brobo Waldown, Parken, etc.

    Hi:

    I haven't been on the forums much of late -- say several years -- so I kinda feel like a newbie. That said, for quite some time I have been in the market for a drill press and am at the pointy end of my research. Some of you may recall the thread from years ago titled: "What drill press would you buy if you could spend up to $2.5k on it". I would like to resurrect that post, and follow on from the more recent thread titled: "What's the fuss about a Waldown drill?" Like many here, I have a cheap and nasty chinese unit. I've come into some money and I want a good drill press.

    I'm seriously considering buying the Parken 226-B8 with variable speed. That is their biggest model. I have exchanged emails with Michael from Parken Engineering and spoke to him on the phone. The Parken's most notable features (from my point of view) over the 3M Brobo Waldown units are as follows:

    (Parken versus 3M Brobo)
    1.5kW v 1.1kW motor
    140-10,000 v 150-3,000 RPM
    140mm v 101mm stroke or spindle travel
    260mm v 191mm between spindle and column
    192kg v 145kg unpacked weight
    variable speed v manual belt changes (for approx. same price of $5k)

    I should probably clarify that last point. The Parken top of the range model has an Omron unit to provide variable speed, while this comes at a serious premium on the 3M Brobo units. That is, the Parken costs about $4800 + GST -- about the same as the manual 3M Brobo unit. In order to get the variable speed in 3M Brobo drill presses, it starts upwards of $7k!

    I asked the Parken Rep the simple question of whether all parts of the machine are made in Australia. At first he said yes, then he said no. I asked for clarification and he said that the motors Parken uses are from China -- but, but, but, "they are really high specced motors". I asked him what class motor it was (A-E or S1, S6, etc.) and he was evasive. This rang the alarm bells. I would have expected a Parken to come with an S1 motor, or at least S6!

    Now I'm worried whether the new Parken's are as good as the old ones?

    Are the motors any good on the new Parken presses? Are Parken and Brobo Waldown presses comparable? Which is better in your opinion?

    How important is variable drive? Is Omron any good for variable drive? I note that it has push button adjustment whereas the Brobo units have a knob to turn. I would think the knob much better? For me, variable drive is a luxury. Or is it a necessity? $7k is definitely out of my price range!

    Any other thoughts?
    PS. I should say that I am a woodworker and do little to no metalwork. At the end of the day, I do understand that both Parken and 3M Brobo drill presses are complete overkill for my needs. But I like Format-4, Felder, Festool, Lie Nielsen, Veritas, Blue Spruce, Chris Vesper, HNT Gordon, etc. etc. I'm certain the new drill press will actually drill a more accurate hole over my current unit (yes, the vibration and run-out are that bad), but not 10 to 15 times better. I'm buying this for the enjoyment of using the machine, not for economic reasons. And I still haven't got a chuck for it! Does anyone have a used keyless Albrecht they want to give me...

    Cheers,
    David
    a.k.a. luckyduck
    Warm Regards, Luckyduck

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    David

    New machines are usually either very expensive or poorly made as you have noted

    Perhaps you might consider looking for an old industrial Parkanson or Waldown drill...they can be found relativelty cheaply and in good order.

    John

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    Hi John:

    Thanks for your reply.

    I agree that looking around longer for a used machine is the way to save a lot of money and potentially get a better product. For one reason or another, I don't seem to be in the right place at the right time, and/or I don't know enough to know whether an old machine is beyond saving (with my skill set), and then there is the matter of the time it takes to rebuild said machine. I am not as impatient at the current crop of young people, but I am aware that I could be more patient indeed, when it comes to these things.

    I think the Brobo Waldown machine is probably better than Parken, but I can't get past the short stroke (barely over 100mm) and the limited distance between column and quill (191mm). Maybe I should be so concerned about those features?...

    David
    Warm Regards, Luckyduck

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    I'd have to agree with jcge. Sometimes those older drills can be found for only a few hundred dollars and all they need is new bearings. Quite often the motors will still have a lot of life and apart from a a bit of rust and a few knocks they are still pretty sound. 3 Phase machines are cheap and the motors can be swapped out for a similar size single phase unit quickly and cheaply.
    Sometimes the tooling that the seller will throw in with the sale is worth more than the drill ( spare chucks, morse tapers, drills, vice etc )

    Stewie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie D View Post
    . . . . .3 Phase machines are cheap and the motors can be swapped out for a similar size single phase unit quickly and cheaply.
    Or for about the same price you can power them via a VFD and gain all the benefits of a VFD.

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    Wish List:
    When I went shopping for my first drill press, I had wod working projects in mind with many, many screw holes that had to be square to the stock. Thousands, in fact. Bought an 8" Delta ($150), 4 speed, which has served my needs very, very well with changing interests over the years.
    If I could go looking again, these Delta features continue to frustrate me:

    1. Much large support table/platform, what ever it's called.
    2. Spindle to column distance. (I've seen one with the power head on a horizontal rail. I don't know how reliable that geometry is but for me, not a premium unless it was really bad.)
    = =
    a) With more shop space, a floor stand setup would be nice.
    b) Variable speed isn't a premium = if I'm doing enough, setting the belt speed is not a challenge.
    Come to think of it, I've never run it over 1100rpm, but I can run 2,000+ to use it as a detail router.
    c) Dinky little motor in the Delta. Except for Forstner bits 1" and bigger, it doesn't bog down.

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    Thanks everyone for your recent posts -- thought I would provide a brief update. On Sunday I used some frequent flyer points and flew down to Melbourne to inspect the new Parken presses. Michael Haussegger, one of two sons who bought the original business from his Dad, opened up the shop on a Sunday just for me.

    I will have a lot more to say about Parken drill presses and about Michael. It was a pleasure to meet someone who still loves design, details, and the making of things as good as can be. What a company! I can't say definitively that the new presses are as good as the old ones, but my expectations were easily exceeded.

    And Michael personally drove me the 30mins back to the city!

    More after the press arrives.

    David
    Warm Regards, Luckyduck

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