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Thread: Water pressure pump
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20th July 2009, 12:26 AM #1
Water pressure pump
I hope someone familiar with rain water pressure pumps can answer my question.
I've recently bought a weekender that has as only water supply a large rainwater tank. The pressure is given by an electric water pump that has a small pressure tank attached. Nothing special about it. It works.
However from time to time it gives a stop and start performance and I, following the instruction left by the previous owner, stop the pump, close the water supply, bleed the water line opening a tap, and then pump 22PSI of pressure with a foot pump into the tank, and all returns to normal.
Lately this intervals became more frequent, every month or so and also I notice that when I measure the pressure with a tire gage, water comes out of the little valve, meanning the tank is full of water and so the amount of pressurised air must be very small.
The instructions on the tank say to empty the tank but the tanks has no bleeding tap or any other orifice for that matter, only the hose that is clamped to the pump. So how on earth am I supposed to bleed the bleeding thing whithout taking the pump apart? and am I correct in thinking that the tank should be mainly full of air or at least 50% and not full to the brim with water?
Any help appreciated.
Kind Regards
Marc“We often contradict an opinion for no other reason
than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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20th July 2009, 08:44 AM #2
The bladder inside the pressure tank sounds like it has developed a hole and the space is full of water. In the short term, you could remove the valve in the top and remove excess water that way but the leak is still going to be there. One option I have used is to remove the whole tank, take out the bladder and get the 'puncture' fixed at a tyre place but its always a bastard to get it all to seal up properly when you put it back together. You could also look on ebay for pressure tanks with new bladders already in them, I ve done that too with excellent results. A third option is to replace the pressure tank and switch with an electronic setup, costs vary a lot but even if you get a cheap one it will still be the most expensive option but possibly the best over time.
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20th July 2009, 09:38 AM #3
Hi and thank you for your reply.
The pressure tank has no bladder. It is a sealed unit very much like a small gas bottle with no handles and some 10 litres in volume. I remember asking about the membrane to the owner and he told me that this model has nothing of the sort. That is why the air pressure has to be replaced from time to time since air dissolves in water under pressure and is pumped away.
I understand that there are models with electric switch yet I was told that the pressure tank gives a more smooth operation particularly if it services toilet tanks with a float that requires very little flow at the end of the cycle. Only hearsay though.
I thought in drilling a hole in the tank and screw a tap in it but that would also screw the lining that protects it from corroding if it has such thing at all. I suppose I could just undo the water intake hose clamp at the pump and let the whole thing empy itslef through the pump. A bit messy since the water from all the pipes in the house will come out of there.“We often contradict an opinion for no other reason
than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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20th July 2009, 11:07 AM #4
Marc,
This link may help - http://www.catskillhouse.us/blog/wat...pressure-tank/
Ian
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20th July 2009, 01:31 PM #5
Give Dynamic Pumps a call Windsor Rd ask for Garry
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21st July 2009, 11:01 PM #6
Well I did look into that forum but did not find my anser. Also rang dimamic pumps and asked the question if tank needs to be drained and how and they told me that they do not fix pumps over the phone...nice.
So I took to the tank today and dismanteled the connection between the pump and the tank took it outside and stuck a pin in the pressurevalve and drained it oh so slowly.
Back on and pumped it up to 22 psi as usual.
Pump on, drain all the air from the pipes and after the usual hissing and coffing, all works. The surprise came when I measured the pressure of the air in the tank. 45psi
I thought something is wrong, so lowered back to the 22 psi I was told.
Start the pump again and it goes up to 45 and stops. The tank is marked to work up to 110 psi, so no danger. Just curious as to how it was working on 22 before when the tank was full of water and now that is empty works at 45.
Anyway, works ok now.“We often contradict an opinion for no other reason
than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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31st July 2009, 04:08 PM #7Senior Member
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not sure about the inner workings, but I can verify that the electronic pressure switch is not great if you have a drip, or a cistern that fills slowly as it fills. Same if the washing machine solenoid or tap is a bit funny. I am looking to put a pressure tank in my system, so if you find a good quality one or can make a recomendation once you have solved the problem, let me know.