Thread: buying first mig - have 20 amp fuse but 10 amp plug outlets in shed..

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Do you have to be licensed to do plumbing work as well????

Wow look at all the stuff you are supposed to be "licensed" to do

http://www.dip.qld.gov.au/plumbing/p...licensing.html

Originally Posted by Mathuranatha

buy a double adapter from coles or woolies for $1.50 ,plug a compressor and welder into it on an extension cord .heavy use on a hot day melt the cord or burn out the power point .Common as eating lunch .

ban coles and woolies

in India they climb the power pole hook two bent pieces of rod or heavy gauge fencing wire over the bare 220volt cables on the poles for a quick connection ,and their economy is booming .

We need a D.A to put a sink or shower in a shed .Over regulation is stiffling us ,as is paying 100,000s of bureaucrats to frame , review , administrate , enforse , or inspect and not enforce [because the regs are ridiculous] the ever increasing essential regulations .none of which we had a generation ago and 80% of the world still doesnt have .

electricity is dangerous .so is bush walking and swimming in the river or the sea ,climbing trees and chopping down trees, riding bikes and you can easily have an accident and die doing any of them.

So what does any of that have to do with having a safe electrical system in Australia?
Oh I get it ... you know more about safe electrical systems than the people who developed the wiring rules? NOT!

Originally Posted by .RC.

Do you have to be licensed to do plumbing work as well????

Wow look at all the stuff you are supposed to be "licensed" to do

http://www.dip.qld.gov.au/plumbing/p...licensing.html

Here is where you are missing the point. Regardless of whether or not you are licensed to do the work (electrical, plumbing, whatever) it should still be done to an accepted standard.

All you guys are doing by providing dodgy advice, or doing dodgy work, is providing fodder for the people that want to restrict what DIYers can do. You are the reason we are so restricted and over regulated.

If you are going to do something, do it properly.

Originally Posted by montiee

Perhaps you should go to the standards body and highlight how irresponsible they are for requiring only a 10A rated outlet while protecting it with a 15A fuse :lol: I'll say no more since it should be obvious just from that sentence alone.

I never said they were irresponsible, you did!

Originally Posted by montiee

Sigh. Faults can and do happen to 10A rated appliance so that they pull more than 10A. That is the point.

Research something called Fault Current.

Originally Posted by montiee

The 10A rating is there to tell you what type of equipment you are allowed to hook up to it and describes the actual connector. Not what the max amperage limit is of the power outlet before it melts.

Thanks for aggreeing on the point I have been trying to make! You are advocating plugging in a 15A appliance into a 10A outlet! Sure it may not melt, but it's not designed for it!

There is a quote that goes something along the lines of "Never argue with an idiot, anyone watching won't be able to tell who the idiot is"

I'm watching....and I can't tell the difference.

Just be nice about it.

Originally Posted by Vernonv

So what does any of that have to do with having a safe electrical system in Australia?
Oh I get it ... you know more about safe electrical systems than the people who developed the wiring rules? NOT!

in general terms Australians are much more regulated than they used to be ,and much more regulated than a large majority of people on the planet .Its increasing in every field of our lives [not just electricity] and personally I think the bureaucrats are motivated to justify their existence and security of their jobs , as opposed to being motivated by the best interest of the people they control.the more complicated laws they pass the more secure their jobs become .

Until the number and weight of bureaucrats crushes the normal people ,the country collapses and we can start again.

you know i came here to this site believing i would be able to have a level headed discussion with other members regarding what is safe and acceptable practice for a newbie to welding. i wanted to know what would keep me as safe as possible - knowing that nothing is risk free. I must say, I'm pretty disappointed and almost ashamed about some of the dangerous advice that has been offered by some here - it is misleading and downright wrong to suggest this to newcomers when they are looking to establish safe fundamental rules for beginning practice! If you want to play around with changing your electricals - well then thats fine, I just wanted to see what the reasoning behind this was, not cop conspiracy theories or negative criticism in the process for wanting to stick with the known accepted safety standards that already exist.

This post can come to an end now to avoid any further irrelevant discussions, i will be sticking with the boring old regulations and using 10 amps where 10amp plugs are and 15 amp sockets where 15 amp plugs dictate. Its sorted.

Ugh

Originally Posted by woodmama

i wanted to know what would keep me as safe as possible - knowing that nothing is risk free. I must say, I'm pretty disappointed and almost ashamed about some of the dangerous advice that has been offered by some here -

I am not sure what "dangerous" advice has been offered..And your original question was

Originally Posted by woodmama

So I was wondering, because of the bigger plug on the 15 amp welders - can i somehow modify something safely so that i can use a 15 amp welder?

You most likely did not know you were asking a loaded question, that will be interpreted differently by different people... ..I took the route that when you bought it you would want to "give it a go" almost immediately and an electrician might be a month away from being able to do the job, like it was with me and my three phase converter hence my comment of not running the machine at full power..

Most debates on subjects like this always end up the same way because there are two camps...People like myself who feel a lot of the regulations are totally unnecessary and those who like regulations or have an interest in keeping regulations for monetary gains..

Welcome to the world of forums..

Originally Posted by .RC.

...there are two camps...People like myself who feel a lot of the regulations are totally unnecessary and those who like regulations or have an interest in keeping regulations for monetary gains..

It's unfortunate that after all the discussion you still think that.

We are not talking about regulations and licenses, we are talking about standards and their application to provide safe electrical systems. I think you are pushing the license/regulation/monetary gains aspect to try an justify why you are not doing (or telling other people to not) work to an accepted standard.

So one last time ...

Originally Posted by Vernonv

Regardless of whether or not you are licensed to do the work (electrical, plumbing, whatever) it should still be done to an accepted standard.

Thank you Vernon.
And so saying he closed the book, tiptoed to the door, and turned out the light.