Thread: Where can i learn 6g tig welding??

Hi Jullin,
Welcome to our metalwork forum.

We are a strange breed of critter here. It is considered good manners to introduce one self and tell us a bit about yourself and what you are trying to achieve.


After that you could find that our regulars might then believe that you are here on our forum for more than a couple of posts and not about to shoot through when you got want you wanted.

They are then prepared to help with as much information as they can give you. If you explain what you want in as much detail you could get the answer you seek.

Good manners and courtesy go such as long way don't they?

Welcome again
Grahame

Originally Posted by Grahame Collins

Hi Jullin,
Welcome to our metalwork forum.

We are a strange breed of critter here. It is considered good manners to introduce one self and tell us a bit about yourself and what you are trying to achieve.


After that you could find that our regulars might then believe that you are here on our forum for more than a couple of posts and not about to shoot through when you got want you wanted.

They are then prepared to help with as much information as they can give you. If you explain what you want in as much detail you could get the answer you seek.

Good manners and courtesy go such as long way don't they?

Welcome again
Grahame

I must say Grahame that is a strange way of welcoming someone ,not answering the question but virtually saying if you dont tell us more about why you want to know or who you are ...we wont tell you.
Good manners do not come with qualifications attached.

Jullin, I would start with the closest TAFE I think the course you are after is in 3445 (could be wrong)

Hi Riley,
We have many people who bob up here and use up a great deal of time of those very people who are willing to answer them.

Why is this ? Because they do not offer those details necessary for that person with the information to help them. So many posts are wasted back and forth in an effort to gain that information. To help someone is is easiest if you know all about the problem they wish to be helped with.

Quite often after the helpful members of this forum have gone to great lengths to help these people, they disappear from this forum never to be heard of again.

Please have a look through the member register and be surprised at the number of people who do this.

I did this because I am possibly the very person who can help this person the most.(Ex Tafe Metalfab Welding instructor and certificate assessor)
To help , I need to know what from him what he wants to achieve as the 6G position is an American designation for a particular welding position.

It won't come as a surprise to you then, that Australian TAFEs don't run courses in American welding certificates as a regular thing.

Once this guy gives a bit information on what he is trying to achieve,I have a great deal of information for him already written out on MS Word that I can cut and paste.

There are more twists and variables to this answer than meets the eye and more information is necessary.

I think by now there are enough blokes here who will tell you you I am more happy to give them a hand.They took the time to say Hi what they wanted to do and gave some info about their problem. Why should this person be any diffrent.Its called Internet etiquette.

Riley, we are a community, a group of individuals with the same basic aims in mind.We group together to assist each other. I am like that and I don't apologize for it.It was rude and he got a rude back.

here is a copy of the post
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is there TAFE couse which offers 6G welding skill??
no matter what territory is End Quote

Alternately, here is what my answer should have been to the man without offending or otherwise mining for further information.


" No! "

Grahame
the Curmudgeon

Originally Posted by Grahame Collins

It was rude and he got a rude back.

I don't think his question was rude ... only direct.

Surely we should try and help people when we can and not base the amount of help we give them on how many posts they have done, or how much they have contributed to the forums to date ... everyone has to start somewhere. And even if they are a one time poster, someone else may benefit from the answer, either now or in the future.

I understand that neither yourself or anyone else wants to waste time answering a question, only to find that there are numerous unforeseen issues that invalidate your answer. But in this instance it was quite obvious (to you ... I don't even know what 6g is) that you required more info to answer the question, so you could of simply asked for clarification.

The other thing to keep in mind is that sometime people don't know what kind of additional information is required for others to correctly answer their question.

Just my $0.02 worth ...

Jullin,
I apologize for being rude to your directness.

Unless things have very much changed since my time as a welding instructor at TAFE, 6G position does not hold an official place in anything taught as a specific course at Australian Tafe's.
The reason is that 6g is a designated position by the American Welding Institute and does not figure officially in the Australian Standards which is what Tafe Certificate welder training is based around.

Certificate in this case virtually means a license.

References are made to it industry as an unofficial industrial description in discussion.I have never seen it listed on Australian based specs.
To my knowledge Australian Tafes don’t run courses for American Certificate Qualification.


The Standard is AS 1796 certification of Welders
The tig process and testing thereof is
Australian Certification Welder AS 1796 - 7
Gas tungsten-arc welding (single vee welded from one side only)

My assumption is that you require it as it is a benchmark employment welding test set by an American affiliated company or one working to American standards.

That is not to say of course that you could not do a AS 1796 course which would give the skill and practice to do the yank test.

As a rule, AS 1796 courses are much more stringent than the American certs.

Be aware that if you want the Australian AS 1796 certificates there are pre requisites which must be met before you are accepted into a course.

This is to do with the depth of welding experience you have. For instance I would not recommend it to anyone with less than 4 years of continuous welding experience and no less than 6 months full time on Tig welding pipework.Training is based upon what the operator/candidate should already know and have experience in.

That skill and experience is then upgraded to a superior level.What is learned and needs to be practiced and understood at this level cannot be grasped by an inexperienced candidate .

It is about understanding how the code inspection is applied and how to perfect and tune your weld so it can pass the very stringent inspection.

Grahame

I think grahame is right, jullin could have at least introduced himself before asking for someones time.

cheers Tim

Yes, Tim, I don't think it's anything personal. Grahame is reacting to some "fly by nighters" that have asked questions recently and then bolted. I think it's a fair call to ask for more info before putting too much time into "first timers".

I still disagree that we should expect people to "introduce" themselves before they get help/information. However there is nothing wrong with asking for clarification in regard to the question being asked.

Should we ignore Tim's (Faceth) input in this thread because it is his first post (and he didn't introduce himself).

I think Grahame's subsequent response was filled with information that not only addressed the question, but probably also educated quite a few people (me included). This response is now available for anyone to read - it has not been lost ... it has not been "wasted" on a first timer (who very well may never be back again) ... it has not fallen on deaf ears.

That's the beauty of public forums ...

Originally Posted by Vernonv

I still disagree that we should expect people to "introduce" themselves before they get help/information. However there is nothing wrong with asking for clarification in regard to the question being asked.

Should we ignore Tim's (Faceth) input in this thread because it is his first post (and he didn't introduce himself).

I think Grahame's subsequent response was filled with information that not only addressed the question, but probably also educated quite a few people (me included). This response is now available for anyone to read - it has not been lost ... it has not been "wasted" on a first timer (who very well may never be back again) ... it has not fallen on deaf ears.

That's the beauty of public forums ...

I don't want to get into another debate about such a trivial issue, but I think the point here is that Grahame's info is valuable and comprehensive. From what I've seen he is an excellent teacher, and like most good teachers he likes feedback from the student. From what I could see he was seeking to facilitate this feedback by getting some more background from Jullin. I would add to this the fact that just recenty Grahame has offered some comprehensive answers to people who haven't bothered to either thank him or comment; they just disappeared.....

To all it may concern
Come on then we are all mates here

Lets get over it.
Thanks to those who stuck up for me.

I try to like everyone. I wish the forum to grow and get new members.More members,a bigger and better knowledge base, ie much better answers and experiences.

But hey! do we need 1 or 2 post members? What do they do for you?
Please have a look at the members lists.We have a lot of members who appear a couple of times and then are gone never seen again.

If Jullins about, I personally invite him to become a permanent fixture around the forum.

But lets face facts, if I have accused him unfairly ,I apologise and will apologise in writing, but will he be around to accept it?

There are many that are short term members. Me, I like to help my mates and the new blokes. But bugger it, if some one lobs up and does not bother to give even a basic intro or info how can he be helped effectively?

Do you appreciate having considerable amounts of your time and effort used up and someone does not say a please or a small thank you? It is all that I ask!

If you choose not to answer a post based upon the senders inputs and the impression you get from the style of that post, it is your option to do so.

About ignoring posters that some took issue with, I was not implying anything cliquey, but just some old fashioned good manners and the plain fact that if you have to put a lot of time in teasing out an answer from such a person, why bother.

Some may not have my perspective, but deal with some ill mannered groups of high school kids on an ongoing basis and you will quickly understand how uplifting to your spirit somebody using their good manners can be to you and vice versa.

Yes, I get a bit narky on it and tend to react on a level of someone firing an air pellet (of rudeness) I tend to return fire with the 15" guns of the Missouri.

Anyway boys we have worn this thread out.I am all argued out.
Lets put it to bed.

Regards to all

Grahame

I think that all has been said about this facet of board life and as in real life there are people who respond and those that don't.

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f36/feel-67000

I'm going to jump in here and say that Jullin hasn't been back since reading Grahame's reply and personally I can't say as how I blame him.

I think back to the first time I ever went on line and visited a Bulletin Board. It was with great trepidation that I asked my first ever question and I'm sure if I had received an answer telling me I had no manners and wouldn't get an answer unless I could prove I was going to stick around that I would never have gone to another forum of Bulletin Board again.

However instead of being attacked, I was made to feel welcome, treated with the utmost courtesy and given all the help and information I could possibly have hoped for. I will admit that I said hello, introduced myself and asked politely for specific information. I didn't give my life history or a resume of my experience or expectations nor would I have if I was told it was required.

I went with a question and was helped so much that I stayed for a couple of years. I had not intended staying just to ask my question and leave until maybe I had another one. I wasn't looking for a community, just a little help. I stayed because of the friendly and enthusiastic response.

I started these forums in the hope that the friendly, welcoming and openly helpful spirit would spread like an infection and to a point it has. However recently in a number of forums I have noticed that there is a lack of tolerance of new members and an attitude that one post isn't enough. That attitude is dead wrong as for as I'm concerned. What ever happened to a simple and courteous answer to a simply asked question.

Personally I'm pretty ashamed of the attitude shown by a minority of members throughout the forums towards some new members. It shouldn't matter if they come and ask one question then don't come back. I don't have a problem with one of help to a new member.

Many of our currently active members posted once initially and weren't heard from again for a number of years on the other hand some early members who were quite active haven't been heard from for years.

The one thing I know for sure is if a person is treated well and has a pleasant experience then they are most certainly going to come back again. If they have a bad experience then it's more likely than not that we'll never see them again.

Good manners and common courtesy certainly do go long way. But they should also begin at home. After all, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". So why not respond with honey instead of vinegar if someone asks a no frills question without so much as a g'day.

That's my 2 bobs worth.

Neil