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17th June 2008, 10:48 PM #1SENIOR MEMBER
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MIG - Welding For Dummies
Hi,
Well today I eventually got the opportunaty to MIG weld for the first time. Having learnt Gas, Tig and Arc over the years I thought it was time to bite the bullet. I had a work colleague show me how to "do it" by doing a couple of runs then passed over the gun for me to use. Having had a go my colleague said that I was a bulls=#**er in that my first weld was something you would see in a how to mig weld manual and I put it down to begineers luck. However, I continued for another 20 minutes trying butt and fillets which turned out great, well for a begineer. Another colleague came in to see how I had gone and made the comment that this type of welding is for dummies (in the sense that even someone of the street could do it in 15 minutes - which I doubt).
However, I did have a problem in that when I came to finish a run that occasionally the wire stuck to the weld, thus I used some snips to cut the wire (at the weld). I was told by the KING OF MIG that this was due to the machine. The machine I used was a WIA which I was informed is an automatic one - in that you don't (cannot) set the speed or current for it. Which is opposite to some posts here that have said you have to set both depending on the operators skills. At some stage I think I will buy a mig but then I will read other threads on the subject to see what are the things I should look for.
Cheers
MH
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18th June 2008, 09:51 AM #2
Hi Metal Head,
I agree with you that MIGs are easy to pick up, I much prefer teaching art students that than arc welding! I introduce it as the big hot-glue gun.
Seems odd there is no adjustments for voltage and feed rate, in fact I don't know how I'd go actually use the thing, unless you select the steel to suit the setup!! These two settings become a balancing act depending on steel thickness and position, not about operators skill...but then I've never touched an automatic MIG.
The hardest thing to teach to a novice is how to see with the helmet on, and I don't believe in spoiling a learner with an auto darkening helmet. Some of them even freak out with dark glasses when brazing, reckon they can't see what they're doing!
Cheers,Andy Mac
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18th June 2008, 10:11 AM #3
Hi Metalhead
Like the man used to say "oils ain't oils".
Well mate, its the same with Mig machines. You could say that the only same thing between them is that they are all different.
The WIA rig that you used is likely to be one that sports a pre programmed digital chip set for the metal thickness , metal types, gas ,etc. Change the job parameters and you change to another chip.
Remember the aluminium winged keel yacht Australia 2 that Bondy built? It was welded up using a WIA Mig that was first of the the generation developed by them and CSRIO.
I trialled one very briefly years ago but our company decided against the purchase.It was set to run with none other than perfect conditions.It was not able to cope with the minor variations that do occur the the course of repair work.
This machine would be best suited only for production work where large numbers of the same weld are repeated over and over. The price difference would possibly be 5 or 6 thousand greater than you or I would pay for a good quality unit for home.
Believe me, the skill in mig welding is not merelypointing the torch and pulling the trigger, but in how to precisely set the controls to make the unit produce the results you require from it.
The wire speed (which is the amperage ) and the voltage (heat input into the weld pool) must be "tuned" to a setting to go give optimum performance on that particular metal thickness and position of the job.
If possible ,ask to use different manual controlled migs and ask the operators to show you the variation in their control adjustments.That should help a great deal in the understanding of the controls.
Cheers
Grahame
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18th June 2008, 04:31 PM #4
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18th June 2008, 08:28 PM #5SENIOR MEMBER
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Thanx Grahame, Rossluck & Andy Mac for your replies.
I appreciate that I had it easy being preset but with a bit of practice it shouldn't be too hard to strike an equilibrium, maybe I should wait until I get the opportunity to try one out.
I contacted a local TAFE college last week to see how much a MIG course would cost to do. I was told that a short course (over 8 weeks) in it would be $425 as oppose to $375 for one over a year and it would include the opportunity to obtain your ticket in it.
Ta
MH
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