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    Default Opinion on BOC 200C MIG??

    After 20+ years of faithful service it's time to pension off my trusty CIG Brumby 180 MIG. I'm looking at a replacement unit and would welcome some input from the rest of you.

    I'm being pushed towards one of the newer inverter models from BOC at around $1200. They seem to have a higher duty cycle than the conventional units and weigh a lot less (not that this is an issue as the unit will always be used in my workshop) but I'm wary about the endurace of the technology - this welder has to see me out so I want it to last as least as well as the last unit,

    When looking at the conventional welders I was looking at the BOC 200C which I understand is a re-badged Kemppi - retail is around $2500 but I can get it from BOC for just under $2000.

    Any comments or alternative suggestions would help with the decision making process.

    Rgds - Gavin

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    Default BOC Welder

    I'm a boilermaker/welder and I see a lot more Cig weld machines these days, mainly in 3phase. I did use a 250amp single phase that welded 6mm plate quite well. Electronics dont seem to be a problem with the better known brands. I suggest waiting until you have a job that requires a fair amount of welding before you buy. Any problems usually so up fairly soon. Be careful of duty cycles, its very rare to run a machine at full amps/volts. If a 180 was doing the job a 200 will do it easy.
    Take into account the different types of fittings. eg. screw-on shrowds are better than slip-ons, look for duel rollers on the wire feed. Also the price of tips etc.
    Regards, Col

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    Thanks for the input. As background, I'm running the Brumby at full power most of the time, hence looking at the 200A units to get a bit of head room. I'm limited to single phase where I am at the moment which is a bit of a nuisance. On average I use 2 or 3 of the 15 kg spools of wire a year.

    Rgds - Gavin

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    I would look at the 250 amp CIG mig if I were you.... If they are still like mine (mine is about 8 years old) then they will have no electronics in them at all making them super reliable...

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    I have owned a BOC 250 mig welder for 5 years and so far had no problems
    It was purchased new in 2001 for about $ 2000 by my former employer so I know its history. I purchased it when they ceased to trade.The only thing I had to replaced is the gun with a Binzel gun as its easer to get parts.

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    I've found the Binzel guns tend to be a little delicate for general workshop use. In the hands of one operator who treats his gear with respect, this should pose no problem. The trigger contact pins are easy to break off.
    As for parts, forward planning and a few spares on hand would cover most situations.
    Tweco guns I've mainly used, parts are usually OK to get. They seem to be the most common in the industry.

    Up our way, Fronius inverter welders are an up and rising star, but not cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Fixer View Post
    I've found the Binzel guns tend to be a little delicate for general workshop use.
    I have not found this. I would rate them equal with tweco.
    Bernard and the gun that was on my machine witch I think was a Kempi I think are crap!
    The Unimig at work we changed to a Binzel gun 8 years ago and only changed the liner

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    Don't get me wrong, Binzel are a good product. But I have seen over and over again in industrial situations in many large shops, many so called tradesmen whose attitudes weren't good abusing or indifferent to a lot of equipment.
    I've seen most Binzel guns tossed to the side because some idiot broke the contact pins off. They weren't fixed for a long time, if ever.
    I'm sure this would be true for any field of industry. There are tradesmen and there are tradesmen.
    However, Tweco and Bernard gear tends to withstand this abuse better than the Binzel from what I've seen. Having said that, I have also found that Binzel guns are lighter, more comfortable and easier to use. A good product, just more delicate. I especially like their push/pull guns for aluminium work.
    Most guns are fairly good. I guess it comes down to the Ford vs Holden type of arguement.
    How many times I have come across MIG guns the dude before me says this machine is f#%ked! So I just clean out the gun, sometimes stick a new tip in and wind the liner up into the diffuser and clamp it there with the grub screw like its supposed to do and it runs sweet after that. Like I said, tradesmen and tradesmen.

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    It's come down to the BOC 200C with a 4m gun or the Lincoln 210c with the LINC (I assume that's their own brand) gun. My current MIG has a Tweco gun which has been (ab)used for the last 20 odd years and still kicks on.

    There doesn't seem to be much to split the two welders, it'll probably come down to price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Fixer View Post
    How many times I have come across MIG guns the dude before me says this machine is f#%ked! So I just clean out the gun, sometimes stick a new tip in and wind the liner up into the diffuser and clamp it there with the grub screw like its supposed to do and it runs sweet after that. Like I said, tradesmen and tradesmen.
    Sounds like what I have to do every Monday morning with the Tweco gun we have on one site
    The Electrians and Fitters who think they can weld and stuff the gun and I am the one who has to fix it. Its lucky they don't have access to the spare contact tips I have in my locker!

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