Thread: reg not facing the right way up?????

I think your regulator is normal its your gas bottle with the straight up hole thats messed up. I never saw one like that unless its from a pub tap or something...Bob

^ Yep, gotta agree with metal master there, normally the neck outlet should be at 90 deg. If it's doing the job I wouldn't be too fussed, when you go and exchange the cylinder bring it to the agents attention. Job jobbed!

HI,
Your Regulator is fine. However it needs to be fitted to a Side Outlet Valve Bottle (side entry) and not to a Top Outlet Valve Bottle (vertical entry) as You have it now. Argon Regulators are available for in either Side or Vertical Mounting depending on the Bottle You are using. Straight Argon Bottles use to have a Vertical Outlet Valve, but they changed roughly 4 Years ago to a Side Outlet Valve ( I know this was the case for 'E' size Bottles the other Bottles might be different).
I have a 'E' size Bottle of Argoshield Universal that has a Vertical Outlet, but I have had this Bottle for about 3-4 Years so it is possible that the Outlet style on Argoshield Universal Bottles may have changed as well. You could try using an Adaptor, but it might not Work. I made one up for My Unimig Regulator (with flowmeter tube) when the Straight Argon Bottles Outlet Valve changed, but it did not work very well for some reason. My Boss gave Me Spare Vertical Mount Argon Regulator with Dual Gauges (Mickey Mouse style) and it Works fine.

hey guys thats what i thought that guy at the boc depot stuffed up and give me a top mount...dickhead..it will be almost empty over the next month or so so ill swap it to the side enrty one then...

Originally Posted by aametalmaster

I think your regulator is normal its your gas bottle with the straight up hole thats messed up. I never saw one like that unless its from a pub tap or something...Bob

every things backwards done here in "AILARTSUA" hahahha

Originally Posted by 355tonner

every things backwards done here in "AILARTSUA" hahahha

Have a look if there is a plug on the side of the reg's body. If so you can remove it and swap it's location with the flowmeter thereby ensuring it is the right way up.

Cheers
Pete Tokentools

Gentlemen,
Arent we getting a tad bit obsessive here? It all to do about nothing.

Some cylinders will have side mounted outlets others will have top ones.

Boc have top mounts and Linde, think, have the side type. IT DOES NOT REPRESENT A PROBLEM.

Tilt your head,read the B******d and move on.

It happens all through industry every day.

You are not going to need to do that more than once per welding session.

Grahame

Originally Posted by Grahame Collins

Gentlemen,
Arent we getting a tad bit obsessive here? It all to do about nothing.

Some cylinders will have side mounted outlets others will have top ones.

Boc have top mounts and Linde, think, have the side type. IT DOES NOT REPRESENT A PROBLEM.

Tilt your head,read the B******d and move on.

It happens all through industry every day.

You are not going to need to do that more than once per welding session.

Grahame

Hi Grahame,

thanks for your input into my thread firstly, Secondly, for a new welder like me i need all the help i can get little things like reg position may not bother pros like yourself but back yard newbie like myself it tends to annoy the hell out of me. the main reason for wanting the reg the right way up is so i can set my lpm flow rate correctly the reg has a stainless float ball in the tube and ive almost burnt through a e size bottle in just over a 3 month period hence my question to fix this!!

Ben....

Originally Posted by Grahame Collins

Gentlemen

Boc have top mounts and Linde, think, have the side type. IT DOES NOT REPRESENT A PROBLEM.

Grahame

HI,
I am not having a Go at You Grahame, for interest though both the Argon - side outlet(E size Gas Bottle) and Argoshield Universal - vertical outlet (E size Gas Bottle) are both BOC Gas Bottles.
Not all Vertical Mount Regulators with Flowmeters like this one Uni-Mig - Suppliers of Mig Welder, Tig Welder, Plasma Cutters, Gas Cutting Equipment, supplies and parts for your welding machines will work on side outlet Bottles. I rang Unimig about their Regulator with Flowmeter when I ended up with a side outlet Bottle of Argon. They said it wont work properly on a side outlet bottle - at the time when I spoke to them they were working to rectify the problem. As I mentioned in My previous Post I made a 90 degree Adaptor up for My Unimig Regulator with Flowmeter, but it still wouldn't work properly - couldn't get proper Gas flow. As that was some Years ago I assume that Unimig rectified the Problem with their Flowmeter Regulators.
Just thinking about it too I may have been a bit light on the Years I mentioned in My Post it could have been a couple more on top of that.
BOC would be the ones to Ask as to what Bottles in the Argon Gases range have Vertical outlets and what has Side outlets - I did a google search, but couldn't find what I was after.

Originally Posted by inverter_weld

Have a look if there is a plug on the side of the reg's body. If so you can remove it and swap it's location with the flowmeter thereby ensuring it is the right way up.

Cheers
Pete Tokentools

hey pete,

ill have a look at it tomorrow and see if theres a plug for it.From memory i think it only has a few small phillips heads screws holding the body of the reg in position. ill also post a pic before i do anything as i dont like pulling down items i dont know too much...


also im hunting a new tig machine and was wondering what your recomendations are on your machines. i will be ofcourse only be using the tig in a home handy man application and im guessing i wouldnt want to run over 10mm plate thickness. so im thinking a 200amp machine should cover it.

in short ive noticed on evilbay you can pick up tigs for around 250 to 550 which in turn is half of what your machines costs? so what your machines do that the cheapies wont?


thanks pete....

Originally Posted by inverter_weld

Have a look if there is a plug on the side of the reg's body. If so you can remove it and swap it's location with the flowmeter thereby ensuring it is the right way up.

Cheers
Pete Tokentools

Just one caution with this approach, which will certainly work.
Be aware that there are both high and low pressure ports on regulators, so just take care that you tap into the correct port when making this change, (many, but not all are labelled as either HP or LP). Another option may be to replace your sight glass type flow meter with a gauge type regulator and flow meter - this will solve all future compatibility issues, (note that you will require a completely new regulator etc, you cannot simply replace your sight glass with a gauge).

Originally Posted by 355tonner

hey pete,

ill have a look at it tomorrow and see if theres a plug for it.From memory i think it only has a few small phillips heads screws holding the body of the reg in position. ill also post a pic before i do anything as i dont like pulling down items i dont know too much...


also im hunting a new tig machine and was wondering what your recomendations are on your machines. i will be ofcourse only be using the tig in a home handy man application and im guessing i wouldnt want to run over 10mm plate thickness. so im thinking a 200amp machine should cover it.

in short ive noticed on evilbay you can pick up tigs for around 250 to 550 which in turn is half of what your machines costs? so what your machines do that the cheapies wont?


thanks pete....

I don't get involved in promoting our products on forums directly as it is a conflict of interest, there are many here that can help in that area based on their experiences with us and others over the years.

As to the difference between evilbay welders and and shopfront welders, this I can expand on. Typically products sold via evilbay (the ones at half the price) do not have Australian trademarks, do not have C-Tick compliance, are not sold by a physical store, the sellers do not have a phone number. If a number is available it may be in the form of a mobile.

In the price you pay for a respected product there is far more behind the face value of the product than most people are aware of. It is when this back up is not supplied after a sale that the product's true value becomes apparent.

Call me on 1300 881 991 if you need some help.

Regards
Pete

What Tokentools will give you that random ebay cheapies won't...

5 year warranty
A phone number that you CAN ring and WILL be answered

I have both a tig and a plasma of Petes and don't know him personally other than as a customer. I am happy to recommend him as a retailer.

Ok guys,
I may have a solution,
There s a device which will be substantially cheaper than a reg change.

Its a ( hand held ) gas flow check gauge which is held over the gas nozzle and works exactly as the flow meter does. It is used by welding operators to set up their gas flow precisely in line with welding procedures set for them.

Obviously you need to flip the wire drive wheel off, but other than that its not difficult or time intensive.

They are probably still available from proper welding suppliers. Mine cost me $12 years ago so if your lucky you might pick one up in the $20 to $30 range.

Other than that take the req to a place that supplies air line fittings and elbows who if your lucky again can fix you up with an elbow .

Yes it will require a matching thread and I'm reasonably sure that the threads will match a they should be a gas thread.

Grahame