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Thread: Welding blues
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1st February 2010, 07:34 PM #1
Welding blues
Hi guys, it has been a while since my long thread entitled a little big job, and my battling with MIG welding.
I have since finished my preliminary job of fencing up a section of the house with security fenicing, and all the welding and fabrication necessary to make up brakets and extensions to suit a very steep landscape, plus the fabrication of 3 separate gates made with the same material from the fence, fitting locks and latches make up frame etc.
Have not started on the I beam extension yet.
Now the reason for my new thread is to rattle on a little about my experience with my new CIG Transmig 250.
If you remember I purchased this machine new and from the start had a lot of dramas. Initialy was flabergasted at the fact that the factory supplied the machine with a 15amp plug and a relatively thin lead and states that if I want to use it at full potential I must rewire to 32 amp plug and I believe 6mm wire. My protest to the manufacturer produced a week explanation but a generous gift of a new $300 electronic helmet with all th whistles. Can't complaint now.
Yet I also had lots of problems to get a straight welding bead, to a point that I started asking questions on this forum believeing as you do, that after so many years of welding stick, I was just hopeless to learn a new skill. After a lot of help from many on this forum, I decided that perhaps I needed some technology help and went to the expense of fitting a digital amp and volt meter. Nice gadget but my welding did not improve.
This is what I experienced from the start. Inconsistency. Every time I would start rather well only to end up a total mess as soon as I was getting warmed up. I couldn't get the setting right. And I tried believe you me I did. No matter what I changed, I would get some times the right sound and most of the time a hissing that would get me in a hissing fit.
I was ready to get a number 8 axe and put the machine out of its misery.
And after many month, yesterday it hit me. I was trying to weld the last two hinges to the last gate with a lot of trial land error, and a lot more of grinding and re-doing when I observed that the arch would start good and then get longer and the wire was back burning and pieces of molted wire would drop on my welding. Pathetic really. So I said, I am not getting enough wire, lets crank up the voltage... (hehe)... Nothing, no change. So I said, the wire must be slipping lets increase the tension. Nothing.
And finally I did what I should have done a long time ago, check the bloody spool. I tried to turn it to no avail. It was very heavy to turn.
I scratched my head, and pulled the spool out and then I saw it. The thing is turning on a plastic tube that has a tension mechanism, more like a braking system. I took the nut off, pulled the centre roller out and there it was.
First, the section of metal that the friction washer is supposed to rub on was rusty. Polished it off with fine sandpaper, gave it a bit of a wax and put it all back, only to discover that there was no spring nor washer under the nut. Someone at the shop had cannibalised the part and put it back with the nut directly on the plastic. So what was happening is that when cold the thing would turn reasonably well with some harder points hence the inconsistence feeding of the wire, and then when it got warmer somehow cached on the nut and stopped almost completely still feeding enough to get me going that it was me.
Bloody hell, as soon as I freed the spool, you should see the welding! Never welded such smooth and perfect beads ever in my life, vertical horizontal only thing I did not try was overhead, because I did not need it. If I only had pull the thing apart earlier, A few dollars part missing made a lot of difference.
It goes without saying that I called the shop today and called them idiots and stupid and incompetent for releasing the machine with missing parts TWICE since they fitted the digital gadget and re tested it....
Oh the delights of dealing with the trade!“We often contradict an opinion for no other reason
than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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1st February 2010, 08:04 PM #2Wood and Metal Enthusiast
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The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer!
Glad to hear to finally found the problem, something like that could be quite disheartening! On the up side, it sounds like you scored some great goodies for your trouble
Cheers
UglyDan
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1st February 2010, 09:25 PM #3Senior Member
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Mmmmm. Maybe I should keep battling on with me old arc.
"The training of the eyes to know when an edge is perfectly straight or a surface is flat, free from winding, and straight, is a very important part of a lad's training."
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2nd February 2010, 11:25 AM #4
But now you will be able to weld the best beads you have ever done, Without getting angry.
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3rd February 2010, 08:59 PM #5
Yes, how true, you don't know the relief when I finally discovered what for some may be rather obvious, but for me was complete news. I did not even know this spool had an anti free-wheeling mechanism and when intuitively I could see I was not getting enough metal, I trusted the new machine to be doing what it should and put it all down to me and my poor ability to tune it in.
Yes, I can now relax and say that I can weld MIG to a better standard than I use to stick.
Does anyone need something welded?“We often contradict an opinion for no other reason
than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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3rd February 2010, 09:18 PM #6
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Its experience you can't buy.No one will ever have to remind you to check it,when you you troubleshoot your mig in future.
Its priceless experience you have gained albeit to this point, exasperating.
Its something an experienced welder will do without thiking about. Don,t assume the counter jumpers at your BOC outlet are experinced welders they would,t know zip.
I am surprised the "qualified guys" did not pick up.
I think I did cover it in the mig notes found in the sticky above.
Grahame
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3rd February 2010, 09:25 PM #7
Yes Graham you are correct. I think they did not pick it up because it sort of works Ok for a little while, and they don't try for 1/2 hour they do a few runs and off they go.
Also the tensioner is mounted on a long threaded rod and since the spring and bits is missing, the locknut is deep down and a long piece of rod stops you from using an ordinary socket. I happen to have a set of long sockets that did the job.
I still called the stupid though hehe“We often contradict an opinion for no other reason
than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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3rd February 2010, 09:34 PM #8
Don't say that, I can tell you that welding MIG is a breeze compared to stick even after all I have been trough. I welded half of a big spool of .9 wire in "limping mode" and even that was better than stick. Now that my machine no longer limps, I am on a Ferrary compared to a toyota Hilux 1989 firing on 3 cylinders.
“We often contradict an opinion for no other reason
than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
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3rd February 2010, 11:41 PM #9
We want pictures
Ok then,we are looking for standing on one leg weld.
One hand behind back weld.
Handstand weld
And of course, the reverse mirror weld.
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