Thread: 1955 L.S.Barker Planer.

Matty,

What do they say, "Work smarter not harder". Looks awesome!! Looking forward to seeing this come together.

I was debating on if the following question was a bit rude, so feel free to not answer if it is, but I am curious to know what this process costs, having just gone through the process of painting I can appreciate the benefits, so it is definately something I would consider in the future.

cheers,

Camo

Originally Posted by camoz

Matty,

What do they say, "Work smarter not harder". Looks awesome!! Looking forward to seeing this come together.

I was debating on if the following question was a bit rude, so feel free to not answer if it is, but I am curious to know what this process costs, having just gone through the process of painting I can appreciate the benefits, so it is definately something I would consider in the future.

cheers,

Camo

Thats a fair and reasonable question Cam, it totaled about $450 dollars, the sandblasting was the most expensive, it was very hard going to remove the original paint and filler.
But my opinion is that money is well spent, as I look really closely how many hours I would of spent (and everyone's time is worth something) grinding, sanding, painting and looking at fact that my lungs are not the best these days even though I do wear PPE, it is still dusty dirty work, cost also of the electricity to run power tools, consumables, paint, thinners, prepsol, rags etc...

The other consideration worth mentioning was that the process took two days, how many of our restorations go for months...
The Barker was a large machine too, the smaller table saw and Combination machines I have had done in the past were easy to blast and the cost totaled between $250 and $300.
I think it is a great process, it may not be everyones cup of tea, as many may balk at the cost, but consider the big picture, your time, your health, and the durability of the finish.
Any way, food for thought Cam....

Melbourne Matty.

I was actually expecting it to be greater than $1000. To me that sounds like something I would seriously consider (especially with the memories of prep time so fresh). Thanks Matty for the info, I wouldn't of even considered getting a quote for this in the past, as I was sure it would cost far more than that.

Doing it yourself is definately cheaper,but it still costs some money in materials. The other factor is the strength of the finish, I have been very careful when reassembling the Stenner ABM as every part weighs so much that one part hitting another is probably going to remove paint, but ultimatly I will be using this machine not putting it under glass. Eventually I am going to take some paint off, a powder coated finish makes sense and in the larger picture is probably better value if you intend to keep the machine for a long time.

Thanks for sharing.

cheers,

Camo

Matty

That looks great, and I'm a big fan of the AGE motors.

You're spot on with the durability and speed of powdercoat vs paint....but there are a couple of things about it that I've never been sure of (and hence I've not tried it....cost aside)

Have you noticed any movement in any of the machined surfaces of the castings @200°C (eg surface flatness), and did the filler you applied underneath the powdercoat survive without breakdown or outgassing?

Regards
John

Originally Posted by jcge

Matty

That looks great, and I'm a big fan of the AGE motors.

You're spot on with the durability and speed of powdercoat vs paint....but there are a couple of things about it that I've never been sure of (and hence I've not tried it....cost aside)

Have you noticed any movement in any of the machined surfaces of the castings @200°C (eg surface flatness), and did the filler you applied underneath the powdercoat survive without breakdown or outgassing?

Regards
John

Hi John,

Barker put the AGE motors in most of their machines, I am a big fan too, they just seem to run forever !
After I read your post I was very curious to see if there had been any movement in the top's especially, so I wound up both to a level point and placed a metal straight edge over them.
They looked good, still very even and nothing that a very thin metal shim won't perfect, but the heat settling the cast was something I did not even think of, the cast tops and body are very thick in places, but I am not sure if this had something to do with its stability.
Yes it did surprisingly, the filler I used was a Norfill product, Binks Marine :: Boat Accessories, Sailmakers Adelaide, Hobie Kayaks, Yacht Products, Ronstan.
fantastic stuff, took a while to cure but when it did, wow, very hard, we also pushed proceedings along a little by baking the filler in the oven as it cooled down for the evening as well.
I used the minimum amount, there were some deep areas, not many, but these did suffer from some pin holes in the final finish, but you have to look close, I was pleased with the finish considering it was a mess when sandblasted with grinding and casting marks, the filler and the powder coat paint all played a part to help the final finish.
My Powder Coater said Builder's Bog or Car filler will give the same results, I just wanted to be sure so I went the good stuff !
Thanks for you comments John.

Melbourne Matty.

Well I have pushed on with assembly and it was all looking great over the weekend, until I could not find a missing part for the fence tilt mechanism, I looked every where for two days, back of the ute, work shop, even went for a walk up the road incase it was resting on the ute while I unloaded and then I have driven of, I had thought of every scenario.
Then a text message this morning, "you left a part behind" well I nearly fell over, I had missed it at the Powder Coaters, gee whizz, how hopeless am I ?!?
Here are some progress pic's anyway, I'm off to the powder coaters to pick this part up.......






Melbourne Matty.

Matty

I hadn't thought of pre-bake of the body filler to drive off volatiles and promote full cure prior to the powdercoating and hi temp baking....an excellent idea !!, and very happy to hear you have not seen any appreciable adverse movement in the tables. I had always wondered about this so greatly appreciate you sharing your first hand process and product experience.

Please do post progress - it's looking great.

Regards
John