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22nd December 2013, 10:33 AM #16Try not to be late, but never be early.
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Stuffy and Peter,
Thanks very much for sharing those.
There you go Graham you can make some nice new rings for your Spofford, and I've got a couple with missing rings so I might have a go myself.
Peter, the jeweller I spoke to wasn't particularly young, but I was surprised that he didn't have a definite view on the process. That's possibly the difference between a job and a passion.
I will be very interested to see your brace photo when you post it.
A Duke "boring aint boring", a friend of mine lent me a book about building clipper ships in the USA in the 1800s. The skeleton and the planking was held together by thousands of wooden pegs called treenails up to 6ft long. The borers were paid 1d a hole, I'd say that would be pretty damn boring.
On the subject of damn boring there's a place here in WA called Damboring I'm thinking of moving up there.
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Geoff.
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22nd December 2013, 11:31 AM #17
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23rd December 2013, 07:09 PM #18
another one for boringgeoff
Geoff,
here it is...not a real flash type, but a basic idea that I hadn't seen before.
There was a cast rod that was broken off, so I drilled and threaded a hole and replace it with a steel pin.
No surprise the cast lug had broken.
There is a spring in the hole to open the two halves up against the thumb screw.
Can't find a name on the brace, or any numbers...any thoughts??
Regards,
Peter
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24th December 2013, 08:59 AM #19Try not to be late, but never be early.
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Peter,
That's a nice example of Henry V Smith of Plantsville Connecticut 1883 patent (No 274040). It's in the same class as the Spofford and the AECO where they employ two clamping halves to grip the bit.
That's a tidy repair job you've done, mine arrived minus its spring but I was able to find a suitable replacement.
I don't know whether Henry made them himself or sold the patent to another company, the only marks I can find is the patent date stamped on the rear of the moveable part of the chuck.
Thanks for taking the time to post the photos.
Geoff.
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8th January 2014, 01:05 AM #21Try not to be late, but never be early.
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Correction
Stop the press!! Sorry I made a mistake in my reply to Graham in posts 4 and 6. I believe John s Fray was purchased by Stanley in 1909 not 06 as I said.
Right, that's my good deed for 2014 out of the way.............
Geoff.
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25th April 2014, 04:31 PM #22Senior Member
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Another Fray for Geoff
Hi Geoff,
Another Fray donated to the Hall mens shed museum.
It is only marked Fray No 105. It has a 10" sweep.
As no other words appear assume it predates Stanley takeover.
Any information would be appreciated. What colour stain would have been used on the handles?
Regards Graham
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26th April 2014, 11:39 AM #23Try not to be late, but never be early.
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Fray 105
Hi Graham,
A very handy publication for Stanley information is Stanley Woodworking Tools by Walter Jacob published by The Early American Industries Association and I acknowledge this book as being the source of most of my information on John Fray.
Your no 105 is a medium quality brace and could have been pre or post Stanley but was discontinued by Stanley by 1927. After the takeover in 1909 Stanley wisely retained the Fray name on braces coming from the Fray works at Bridgeport,until the closure in 1927.
To quote directly from Mr Jacob's book "Top grade braces used cocobolo heads and handles while lower grade braces used ebonised or mahogany finished hard wood." I guess Mahogony or perhaps Jarrah stain would do the job.
I don't do any repairs to the woodwork on my braces as I have purchased a few which have been "restored' in an amateur fashion and, frankly, they look bloody horrible in most cases. But you're on the right forum to get good advice on what you could do to try to improve the look of the woodwork on your 105.
All I would do is remove any rust from the metalwork with steel wool or judicious use of the wire wheel and very fine steel wool to smooth and remove grime from the woodwork, then oil the whole thing and once again there is plenty of advice available here on oil suitable for the purpose. I use a product made here in WA called L10 lubricant/Penetrant by Industrial Chemical Technologies.
Your photos look like the brace is in good condition, ready to go to work.
To hark back to an earlier conversation on this thread about the pewter rings used on some of the Fray handles. When I was at the TTTG tool sale at Thornleigh in February I spoke to a TTTG member (Fred I think) who explained the technique used to fit the rings. They were slipped onto the frame before the head was fitted and were a push fit over the ends of the two halves of the wooden handle and sat loosley in the grooves in the handle. They were then sat in a jig with each ring supported on two rollers and another roller was lowered and as the handle was rotated, downward pressure was exerted and the rings were shrunk into position.
Finally, your 105 looks like a good user and is an example of John Fray's 1889 patent (395889) ratchet which went on long after the demise of his company.
Geoff.
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26th April 2014, 06:27 PM #24Senior Member
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Thanks for the information Geoff,
I saw reference to a Fray's No 26 catalogue but could not access it. Wondering if this would give additional information.
There seems to be some confusion when Stanley acquired Fray. I have seen dates of 1906, 1909 (confirming your advice and even 1914. The link below specifies 1906.
http://www.sydnassloot.com/Brace/Fray2.htm
Although the Fray in the my photo was my main interest, I was wondering if you had any comment on the German breast drill in the background.
Regards Graham
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26th April 2014, 10:11 PM #25Try not to be late, but never be early.
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Hi Graham,
No sorry, don't know anything about the breast drill. Is that German embossed on the cover? You may find another brand on the chuck perhaps.
The link to Sandy Moss' site that you supplied is a very good source of information but he has made the odd error, 1906 being one of them, I'm going with Walter Jacob on that one he's been collecting and writing about Stanley tools for a long time. As with any research, cross referencing with other sources gradually builds up a picture. Catalogues are a very good resource, pity you couldn't get hold of that one you saw. I'm still looking for a pre Stanley Fray catalogue, if such an animal exists.
Thanks for your interest,
Geoff.
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27th April 2014, 10:12 AM #26Senior Member
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Thanks Geoff,
Attached is the link I found to Fray's No 26 Catalogue, but I was unable to access the document. You may have better luck. Because it is Fray and not Stanley I assume it could predate the takeover.
http://www.librarything.com/work/9650296
Graham
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28th April 2014, 10:18 AM #27Try not to be late, but never be early.
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Catalogue No 26.
Hi Graham,
I checked my library (a small shelf in the shed) and that is the Fray catalogue I've got.
The No 26 is a reprint by Antique Tools and Trades In Connecticut (ATTIC) of Fray's 1911 catalogue. ATTIC published the reprint in 1994. I think Stanley allowed Fray to run fairly autonomously from when they purchased them in 1909 until eventual closure in 1927.
I'm wondering if there are 25 earlier editions or did they just pluck no 26 out of the air?
Cheers,
Geoff.