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    Default salvage yard Simonds saw find

    Hi all,

    went to the local salvage yard looking for a second hand window,
    without success, so went to where the tools are kept to see what
    may be there, some body had dumped about 4 dozen saws,
    mostly back saws, hand saws, nest 'o saws and a few hack saws,
    all in the usual rusty, daggy condition, after sifting through them all,
    two came home, a Disston 14" back saw and Simonds 16" 10 ppi
    ( i think ) # 8 panel saw. They were $5 each.

    I have a few small panel saws but, until now no 16" ones, it needs
    one missing saw bolt replaced, a light bend near the toe doctored,
    a bit of a clean up and the teeth sharpened.

    Have a look at the photos below, does it look like a # 8 or something else?

    Graham.
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    Graham,
    That’s a great find
    The number 8 should clean up really well.
    Can’t believe the condition of the etch.
    I would happily give you a $5 for that [emoji6].

    Cheers Matt,

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    hi all,

    here are a few more photos of the Simonds panel saw after clean up.

    Graham.
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    Graham

    Away from home and lost my glasses! Please excuse typos. Yes, almost certainly a No.8 between 1910 and 1922 (two etches). My feeling is that it is a panel saw, but may have been cut down a little. I base this only on the depth of toe compared to the depth of blade beneath the handle. The ratio on smaller saws was not the same as full size saws, but it still looks a little "off."

    How thick is the plate? I have very few saws that small so it is a little bit of uncharted territory. It has cleaned up well and was a very good buy.

    The No.8 in a full size 26" saw had five saw screws so four screws is right for a panel saw except.....I think at 16" I might expect three saw screws. I will check against what i have when I get home, but I don't think I have anything less than 20".

    The other thing to check is whether the toothline is a constant thickness. A saw that is heavily sharpened will be thinner at the toe where the sharpening has taken it into the tapered zone.

    Regards
    Paul
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    Graham

    I took the pictures a couple of days ago and then it went out of my bird brain to do something with them. Apologies.

    I was right in that I did not have a saw as small as yours! In fact the only 16" saw I have is this:

    P1050246 (Medium).JPG

    It is an Iroquois made by Simonds for their budget range. The 26" version only had three saw screws so not too much of a guide other than the ratio of depth between the heel and the toe.

    P1050244 (Medium).JPG

    This one is an 18" No.10 1/2. Again it is not a direct comparison, but it is of a similar size sawplate.

    By the time of your catalogue just a single pic was displayed for each saw, but the earlier catalogues for many of the saws depicted a rip, crosscut and panel example. This is the page for the 10 1/2 from the 1912 catalogue

    Simonds 10.5 1912 catalogue.jpg

    and from the same year for a No.8.

    Simonds No.8 1912 catalogue.jpg

    The No.8, which was a skewback, was always a full depth saw, but the No.10 started out that way, but by the time of your 1919 catalogue was a medium width saw. Note how the blade is cut well into the lower guard of the handle. We should also remember that these catalogue pictures were artists' drawings and there was the possibility for error. However, my conjecture is that your saw was always a panel saw, but may have started out a little longer at possibly 20": Purely a guess.

    Regards
    Paul
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    Hi Paul,

    sorry for late reply have had other duties.

    thanks for your response and information, I recorded a few measurements.

    thickness of blade along the back, in front of handle .032 half way .025 toe .023
    along tooth line, heel .035 half way .030 toe 024

    length of blade at tooth line 16", width of blade at toe 2", in front of handle 4",
    below handle 3/8"

    centre of logo etch is 9" from toe and equally spaced top and bottom

    note location of 10 ppi stamp

    tooth line is good, teeth appear to have been sharpened by owner, no longer factory new.

    My catalogue is the 1919 reproduction

    Graham

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