Thread: Stanley #5 type 4 I think?

Not a Type 4, the No 5 cast into the toe puts it at 5-8 but without the frog you can't narrow it down more than that. The lack of frog also means it's not gonna do much good as a plane :/

The RexMill type study would have it as a type 5; the later types have two grooves running down the frog receiver. The correct frog for this had the first lateral lever; no disc just the end of the lever was bent upwards to fit the slot in the blade.

What do you intend to do with it? Frogs for it will be extremely thin on the ground and I don’t think a later one would be a simple drop-in replacement. A genuine era rosewood handle will cost more than a slightly younger but complete plane.

You would probably be able to on sell the sole; there are likely more planes with damaged soles than spare frog/handle/blade combos available. The front knob is the early beaded type (the type 6 onwards eliminated it) so if it’s in good condition it would be worth a few bucks as well. Although I would recommend trying to sell in the US rather than Aus; the demand here is much less.

Thanks for the reply people, The plane came in a box with some other bits and pieces of other planes and random chisels. In the bottom of the box was a fog underneath another plane. I think it fits and will confirm this tomorrow. I had a quick look and the lateral adjustment lever has a disk but no patent dates or other markings on it. More pics tomorrow. I think someone was trying to restore it as there is a tobacco tin containing the frog screws and washers. Lucky find.
The second plane is a 41/2 of similar vintage but the cheek on the sole has been smashed off. Again more pics tomorrow. Thanks for the info and knowledge.

Damien

Interestingly, the Stanley No.10 and No.10 1/2 continued to have that type of frog receiver and frog to the very end (they never changed to the later types). So if you're looking for a donor frog, that opens up a few more options. Record never used the style of frog, not even in their No.010 and No.010 1/2.

Looking forward to today's fotos of phrogs.

Cheers, Vann.

Originally Posted by elanjacobs

Not a Type 4, the No 5 cast into the toe puts it at 5-8...

Originally Posted by Chief Tiff

The RexMill type study would have it as a type 5; the later types have two grooves running down the frog receiver...

Definitely not a type 7 nor type 8 as there is no 'S' or 'B' cast into the base. I think it's a type 4 or 5 (the Rex Mill study shows an 'H' shaped frog receiver for the type 4, but the description says "The frog receiver is now a broad, rectangular area, with an arched rear (the portion nearest the tote). It is machined flat." which is also what goodwoody's photos show.

Cheers, Vann.

More pics. The frog as referred to before was found in the same box. The handle in the same box but differs in colour from the knob. The lateral adjustment leever is one piece twisted steel with a disc on the end. The depth adjustment knob has writing on it (cant Read without glasses).

Same box different plane, 41/2. Have a gander and present your thoughts.

More pics of the 4/12 frog.

Still more. Blade assembly and cap iron. Lovely 2 piece handle as well.

Regards Damien

Originally Posted by goodwoody

...The depth adjustment knob has writing on it (cant Read without glasses).

"BAILEY'S PATENT" "AUG. 31, 1858, AUG. 6, 1867"

Originally Posted by goodwoody

The frog as referred to before was found in the same box...
...The lateral adjustment leever is one piece twisted steel with a disc on the end...

I'm now wondering if that's not a Stanley, but maybe a Union plane - but I don't know anything about Union planes - nor whether a Stanley brass adjusting wheel would fit on a Union plane.

Assuming it is a Stanley, then that lateral lever is not original to that plane (nor to any Stanley plane I'd guess). It appears the rivet may have been re-worked. The fact that there is a recess for a lateral lever rules out it being a type 4. But the recess doesn't look like that for a type 5 (or 6 or 7 or 8 for that matter). Possibly just a variation in foundry patterns?

Does the brass adjusting wheel have a right-hand thread or a left hand thread?

Cheers, Vann.

Originally Posted by goodwoody

Same box different plane, 41/2. Have a gander and present your thoughts.

Wow, that side wing has taken a beauty thump. My regular and favourite user Record No.04 has a lump missing from the other side.

Stanley 4.5.jpg

Is that an "S" in the tote recess? If so it's definitely a type 7.

Cheers, Vann.

A blade and chip[ breaker.