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    Having a little post holiday after the Xmas holidays because we can.
    So the lovely wife and I, find ourselves in the state of South Australia in Adelaide for a few nights.
    Literally two minute walk to the beach(West Beach).
    Well yesterday was spent down in there historical port precinct.
    Would you believe it there was a junk kind of market in an old massive port shed.
    I think it was the fish market but not sure.
    Well anyway, $10 later, this is now mine.


    But two features I’ve not seen before, I’m really very impressed with.
    To the point I’m going to try and incorporate them into my next saw build after I finish the one on the bench and after all the other stuff I want to do [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849].



    Both features are absolutely perfect in the application if you ask me.
    The saw is real great condition apart from a chip in the lambs tongue [emoji20].
    But I will try and repair that with a slither of timber once I work out what timber the saw is.
    The blade also needs some smithing.
    But overall a really first class little back saw.

    Cheers Matt.

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    And for those of us that are a bit slow that exactly are the two features

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    Quote Originally Posted by China View Post
    And for those of us that are a bit slow that exactly are the two features
    My apologies China.

    Yes what am i blithering about


    The under side of lambs tongue has been shaped like so in the edited pic.
    I’ve never seen one like that my self.

    And the mortise for the back has been stepped I think you would call it that, plus the two little v marks either side.

    It’s all in the details.

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    Thanks , I will have to go check all my saws now

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    Design embellishments on old saw handles are a delight. I only have 2 or 3 backsaws with your arrised lamb's tongue, and find arrised edges are more common on larger handsaw handles [but usually only the top edge, and (rarely) also inside front of the grip]
    The little notch near the end of the mortise seems more common, possibly a standard with some Sheffield handle makers for a period.
    [There has been some discussion on these topics in old threads on Backsaw.net]

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    Hi Matt,

    have only just read your new thread about being in Adelaide and your Taylor Bros. saw,

    if you have the time you should call in to Gizmo, a great shop for old tools it's at

    187A Magill rd. Maylands which is about 15 mins. east of the city centre.

    Yes the Taylor Bros. saws have great handles, a good score from Paul at the Port Market

    hope it cleans up okay

    Graham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macg View Post
    Hi Matt,

    have only just read your new thread about being in Adelaide and your Taylor Bros. saw,

    if you have the time you should call in to Gizmo, a great shop for old tools it's at

    187A Magill rd. Maylands which is about 15 mins. east of the city centre.

    Yes the Taylor Bros. saws have great handles, a good score from Paul at the Port Market

    hope it cleans up okay

    Graham.
    Thanks Graham.

    Only here for one more day then back to reality [emoji849].
    But I will try some black magic on Sally tonight and see if I can get there tomorrow?.

    Cheers Matt.

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    Matt

    You have made an extremely good purchase there. As you know, British saws are not my area, but I do have Simon Barley's very good book, as do you.However I am guessing that you have not taken your reference library with you. So...

    From Simon's book. Taylor Brothers were one of the leading manufacturers in Sheffield, setting up shop in 1837. If you are able to show larger pix of the medallion and the stamp on the back more precise dating my be possible, but it looks to be from the 1880s. There is a distictive emblem on the medallion which I can see in the book, but cannot really make out what it is. Taylor Bros had a number of different icons.The saw looks as though it has split nuts so that would fit in. Simon's book has around twelve pages devoted to Taylor Bros so I am expecting you might grab your copy as you the enter the door back home .

    The little cut at the end of the spine is found on the Kenyon saws too, so it may well have been a feature of top end handles. On the timber, I think that the British manufacturers almost exclusively used Beech, but it is a different variant to the American Beech. The British timber has more prominent rays (medullary) and also often exhibits an amount of "fleck," which is again the rays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Matt

    You have made an extremely good purchase there. As you know, British saws are not my area, but I do have Simon Barley's very good book, as do you.However I am guessing that you have not taken your reference library with you. So...

    From Simon's book. Taylor Brothers were one of the leading manufacturers in Sheffield, setting up shop in 1837. If you are able to show larger pix of the medallion and the stamp on the back more precise dating my be possible, but it looks to be from the 1880s. There is a distictive emblem on the medallion which I can see in the book, but cannot really make out what it is. Taylor Bros had a number of different icons.The saw looks as though it has split nuts so that would fit in. Simon's book has around twelve pages devoted to Taylor Bros so I am expecting you might grab your copy as you the enter the door back home .

    The little cut at the end of the spine is found on the Kenyon saws too, so it may well have been a feature of top end handles. On the timber, I think that the British manufacturers almost exclusively used Beech, but it is a different variant to the American Beech. The British timber has more prominent rays (medullary) and also often exhibits an amount of "fleck," which is again the rays.

    Regards
    Paul
    About to step out but

    Cheers Matt

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    Well I’m back In smelly Melbourne, and back to reality tomorrow [emoji849][emoji849].
    But on our way from Adelaide we spend a few nights in the steel palace.
    So while there I dug into my extensive collection of literature on saws(2 books)

    Simon Barley has confused me slightly.

    There lies my medallion but it’s not 25 mm in diameter? nor is it 18 mm?
    It’s about 21/22 mm in diameter, did I get the new apprentices first batch, or the late Friday special from the castings.


    So the saw could be 1880 or from 1900 tho in being fair that’s only twenty years difference.

    An now a little bit spooky because I brought this saw in Adelaide Australia.
    I haven’t cleaned the blade yet, I wonder weather I uncover something like this.


    Spooky

    Cheers Matt.

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    Hi Matt,

    good to hear that you made it back across the border okay but,

    was the back saw the ONLY holiday tool you went back with???

    With regard to the Adelaide works etch, I think it was only applied
    to their hand saws and not there back saws.

    Below are a couple of examples I have, they are both 26" hand saws
    they appear to be the same model, the first is older with split nuts and
    less ornate etch, the second is younger with rounded heads and much
    more ornate etch.

    Graham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macg View Post
    Hi Matt,

    good to hear that you made it back across the border okay but,

    was the back saw the ONLY holiday tool you went back with???

    With regard to the Adelaide works etch, I think it was only applied
    to their hand saws and not there back saws.

    Below are a couple of examples I have, they are both 26" hand saws
    they appear to be the same model, the first is older with split nuts and
    less ornate etch, the second is younger with rounded heads and much
    more ornate etch.

    Graham.
    Graham,
    Rest a sure it was tricky but we arrived back from enemy lines unscathed.
    Well to be honest the back saw was brought back to the safety of my creative zone accompanied by a couple of small punches being the only other tools I stole from with in enemy lines.
    Not really worth even taking a picture of.

    I like those two handsaws especially with The etches it’s a shame if the etch was only applied to hand saws [emoji849].

    Cheers Matt.

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