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  1. #1
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    Default Joplin quick release vice with a Stanley No 4 plane - recoverable?

    Bought these yesterday for $7. I thought the Stanley No 4 (Made in England) plane would be good parts but I managed to clean it roughly and use it. I am thinking I should strip it and put all the metal into CLR. Is this a good plan? I can feel the handle is broken but remember watching a video where someone cleaned and glued it before using again.

    The vice will move in and out for a short distance but I suspect the corrosion has become a problem for the guides. Any sites or guidance on cleaning and making this usable again? I already have 2 such vices but this is small enough to suit my second workbench.

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    Hello there,

    I don't think that CLR will have much of an effect upon the rust, get some evaporust from an auto shop, disassemble parts and soak, that will be the end of all your rust issues.

    With the broken handle, make up some shaped blocks that match the top & base profile and hold together with a length of threaded rod through the whole lot.
    clean the joint and use araldite, not only is it strong but also fills gaps.

    Hope this is of some help.

    Graham.

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    What graham said regarding the handle repair; check out THIS LINK for a pictorial guide. As for CLR; don't bother. A wire wheel on an 8" grinder will take care of most of the mess; dissolve the residual stuff in citric acid. Evap-o-rust is fantastic... but priced accordingly. I last bought a gallon from Supercheap on special and it still came to over $80. If you can see yourself restoring a lot of hand tools it's worth the cost but otherwise citric acid while slow is still effective and much cheaper.

    It looks like you've got an early type 16 smoother there; basically the whole plane is worth about $20 but the handles would go for $30 on their own on E-bay. They look like rosewood so if you remove the bits of scrap metal hanging off them they'll sell. If you want to learn how to restore a plane though and get it working well what you have there would be a great learner; THIS LINK is all about restoring to use a similar vintage type 16 jack plane.

    For the vise; l would get in there with strips of 120 grit emery cloth to remove the rust on the bars and threaded shaft before dismantling it. Then get rid of the rust the same way as for the plane; or possibly get it shot blasted.
    Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.

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    Default Plane recovery

    Thank you guys the information is excellent. The value for me is in the lesson and practice on something that won't cost me so much if I do damage it. Right now it works so I'll take my time to prepare and do the work properly (with enjoyment )and then post pictures.

    Cheers,
    Nick

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    Try ordinary white vinegar for the rust - cheap and gentle
    Would you please post some photos of the quick release mechanism on the joplin - mine is held together with wire and appear back to front
    Ta

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    Funny you should mention the white vinegar as I am experimenting with it now on hand saws. Sorry for the quality of picture but taken in the dark. Let me know if you need better tomorrow
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    I second what the other guys have said. I've used evaporust and it does an awesome job. But having used white vinegar for the last few restoration projects i can't really justify the $87 price tag.

    One suggestion for the smoothing plane. If you can disassemble it, put all the pieces in a piece of 90 or 100mm PVC downpipe with a cap on the end. Then pour enough white vinegar in to cover everything and leave it for a day or two. It's a very efficient way to soak everything.

    Once you're ready to clean up the parts, drain the vinegar and wash everything off. You'll find most of the rust comes off easily. Then make sure you coat them in some 3 in 1 oil, wd40 or similar asap otherwise it will flash rust within minutes.

    One benefitof the evaporust is that it's also a rust preventer, so if you do go that route the wd40 won't be necessary.

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    Thanks Nick thew shots are fine. The scree was mounted hard up agianst the inner jaw and I think it is nearly U/S but it will do its job for a while yet. Next project casting a new set???

    Alternate to vinegar is washing soda electrolysis - lots of sites on u tube. Works a treat but you need a good 12 or 24 power source and some where outside because it's not fresh. For rust conversion buy phosphoric acid at your local cleaning wharehouse and brake it down to 25 -30% - lot cheaper than rust- ex

    cheers

    Tony

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    I would try a soak in a molasses and water in a big tub for a few days and clean up with a green scourer pad. It is the gentlest derusting technique. As for the handle make one. start by drilling the the recess for the lug on the bottom followed by the long rod hole. P&N make a counterbore that does a nice job of the recession the top as the drill acts as a pilot. Then get out your fostener bits and gnaw away at it until it looks like a plane tote. 25 mm sandpaper strips help blend all the curves. All the best.

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    Finally got back to this vice and it was easier than I expected. Once I separated the quick release handle from the long bar I was able to gradually remove the bar. Seems is was badly rusted inside the cast jaw but once freed I was able to remove the rust. Lots of WD40 and a little brushing with bronze brush wheel I had it all working. Now I know it works I will look at a proper clean later

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    I would give metal rescue a try it is cheaper than evapo-rust and does the same job I tried the liquid form of it on a few planes I cleaned up this week and it did the trick plus you can get it in gel form but you have to wrap the item with plastic to keep the gel wet.

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