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23rd November 2023, 09:02 PM #1
W. Tyzack and Sons and Turner Brassbacksaw
Hi, I have been a bit quiet. Busy at work and also busy building my new workbench.
Anyway, while cutting tenons for the new bench, I came to really like this old saw. I only got to it by accident. It was sold to me together with a Millerfalls 15 1/2 mitre box. But this saw would have never fit the mitre box [emoji3]
I only cleaned the saw and finally decided to give it a sharpen. It is a 14" saw and with the massive brass back very heavy.
It works really well. Now my second favourite tenon saw.
I am trying to find out more about it and the possible age. I am hoping that maybe someone here can shed some light on this.
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26th November 2023, 02:32 AM #2
CK
There were various branches and combinations of the Tyzack group of families. I could only find 1950 and 1965 catalogues. Neither quite matched your saw and I don't have Simon Barley's book to hand at the moment, which gives the time frame during which this particular branch of Tyzacks operated.
This is from the 1950 catalogue. The 120 features the lambs tongue handles but the model is wrong. The Nos 13B & 14B elephant brand seem correct but the handles are wrong.
W. Tyzack & Son 1950 cat.jpg
I suspect your saw is earlier because of the roundness in the grip of the handle and the lambs tongue, which is more refined than the catalogue pic above. The 1965 offering was more blocky again. It is very likely your saw is at least pre WW2.
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PaulBushmiller;
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26th November 2023, 12:51 PM #3GOLD MEMBER
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Hi CK. Here is my latest resto. You and Johnknee inspired me to get this done.
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26th November 2023, 07:56 PM #4
Cklett,
From the book Paul was mentioning,British Saws & Saw Maker’s from 1660 by Simon Barley.
It would seem your saw is from 1890, 1910.
It’s a good one.
Cheers Matt.
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26th November 2023, 08:16 PM #5
An a little about the name Tyzack,
Cheers Matt.
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26th November 2023, 09:47 PM #6
Thanks Matt
The Tyzack family was quite large and they operated primarily from Sheffield, which was the main hub of steel making and consequently saw production, but also there was a London Tyzack connection.
Simon Barley points to W. Tyzack & Sons using "non pareil" and the elephant trademarks from 1876 and both were used as indicators of quality. There were also several collaborations with other people outside of the Tyzack name such as Turner, who was a son-in-law.
Matt's assessment of around 1910 is probably a good start. The handle is the typical English Beech with the noticeably prominent fleck. The heavy brass back is typical of British back saws.
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PaulBushmiller;
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26th November 2023, 11:01 PM #7
CK
On looking closer at the pic Matt posted of the Tyzack & Sons & Turner medallion , I think it closely resembles your saw. The elephant tusks vary in different medallions but Matt's pic are identical to your saw and is dated c1880 in Barley's book. I am also assuming that the saw screws are split nuts.
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PaulBushmiller;
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27th November 2023, 08:09 PM #8
Paul,Cklett,
I’m certain that this is the same back !!.
Paul, I also converted the new modern method of measurements too the oldie out of date fart stuff, too help 112mm equals 4.409 inch thingy.
Tho I have know idea what it’s referring too in reference too the picture of the saw back.
Cheers Matt.
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29th November 2023, 07:31 PM #9
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1st December 2023, 07:31 PM #10
Thanks Matt
Actually, when talking vintage saws I do think that the original measurements in Imperial seem more appropriate.
However, those measurements from Simon barley's book refer to the length of the stamp or etch as depicted in the photo. Most of them are not to scale so it gives some reference. At least, that is what I think it is.
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