Thread: Variable Speed Disc Friction Drive Camel Back Drill Press

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Mate that does look very similar. On that basis I was able to find this

Pat. 1895 shown in the 1911 Catalog.

I picked up a small W. F. & J. Barnes Co. bench top drill press Saturday to fix up. I've seen a few big ones but none this small. It is only 33 inches tall and the patent dates cast on it are 1890-1895. It was sold by The English Tool & Supply Co. in KC MO. according to the brass tag on the base. The chuck works & everything moves at least a little. I spent a couple of hours last night trying to find information on the net but couldn't find much, just a mention here and there. I'm missing a few pieces. As of right now it looks like I'm missing the feed handles & the piece that either shifts the belt or tightens it, I’m not sure which. I'll also have to replace the leather on the driven wheel. It looks like they wound some small round leather belting around it and cross nailed each end. Does any body have any information on this drill? Some pictures would be really great so I know what the parts should look like when I make them. Here are a few pictures of it. Thanks, Jamie

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DRILLING-MACHINE
Patent number: 423864
Filing date: Nov 22, 1889
Issue date: Mar 18, 1890
Inventor: THOMAS FARMER

DRILLING-MACHINE
Patent number: 549559
Issue date: Nov 12, 1895
Inventor: WILLIAM P. BARNES

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Apart from the chain weight return and the 4 lever quill all which could have easily been modifications. As you can see in the second and fourth photos all the embossed info on the drill which mine doesn't appear to have. Barnes did export these drills iva mail order to Australia.

So do you think you have a Barnes?
Is the chain and sprocket a user addition?

No I don't actually think mine is a Barnes, but I do think it is a copy.

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If you look at the shape of the castings and compare how the Barnes has a clear curved section and two branches stemming out of it. Where mine is all blended into one. Also the two branches seam to meet in a different shape. Added to this the embossed writing is all missing off mine.

I need to also see how the belt shifter is fitted to mine, I thought it was all cast in one I could be wrong. The Barnes above obviously is attached as it is missing.

No I don't actually think mine is a Barnes, but I do think it is a copy.



If you look at the shape of the castings and compare how the Barnes has a clear curved section and two branches stemming out of it. Where mine is all blended into one. Also the two branches seam to meet in a different shape. Added to this the embossed writing is all missing off mine. I think the barnes is nicer and more refined Another difference is the table mine has sharp square sides and corners, the barnes has round corners and curves under. The chucks were an optional extra and not supplied with the drills so no comparison there. I wonder if these drills ever appeared in the McPhersons catalogs?

I need to also see how the belt shifter is fitted to mine, I thought it was all cast in one I could be wrong. The Barnes above obviously is attached as it is missing.

My initial thoughts were the same, as the top arm seems much chunkier than on yours compared to the Barnes.
But with the configuration almost identical and with components like the top claw and the disk, I thought it was a step in the right direction.
I guess it's worth admitting that I found it using Google image search while waiting for the kids. There are a lot of designs of old iron out there for you to collect!
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=v...&tbm=isch&sa=X

In response to if the chain counter weight is factory or an addition. It is well done and proportionally sized so it could be factory, but I have no way of telling without seeing another the same.
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Not sure how to take this apart, the nut is fixed tight. Is it a nut or apart of the place. What are all the pins for?




Surprise brass underneath






What to do with this?????

Originally Posted by DSEL74

Not sure how to take this apart, the nut is fixed tight. Is it a nut or apart of the place. What are all the pins for?

Some wild guesses here...

Four pins prevent the arms from rotating - as each shaft is bent outwards, any rotation would be a PITA.
Two set/grub screws lock the handle hub to the sprocket (and maybe through to the rear casting.
The pin at 90degrees to the two set/grub screws is a stuffed (plugged) screw hole.
The remaining two pins are for locking the arms, but somehow didn't work well enough.
The nut is separate (LH thread?).

I'm guessing remember .

Cheer, Vann.