Hello,
The "son of a goat project" is not the same as this one.
This is the "laser style - go fast - build it yourself project" that has not been christened yet by MIK.
So, I believe, 2 separate projects aimed at different designs.
Joost
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Hello,
The "son of a goat project" is not the same as this one.
This is the "laser style - go fast - build it yourself project" that has not been christened yet by MIK.
So, I believe, 2 separate projects aimed at different designs.
Joost
Just looked at the proto draft - exactly what I have been looking for!
I think I just got "wood"!
Hi Mik
Im loving the Goat, mostly singlehanded, sometimes two up. im resigned to using ramps now, though I can beach it and relaunch easy enough. However, as an old Kayaker I love and miss the freedom of car(van) topping. So I have been quietly following the SOG and now the Laser "woodie" discussions, to add a dedicated singlehander to the fleet . I wonse car topped an Enterprise Dinghy from Mancheser to West Coast of Ireland and back, but needed to gather a crowd for the on/off.
Im thinking.... 2.8m/ <40kg/ GISlike performance/ GISlike build simplicity/ Balanced Lug/ "dynamic bailing" capsize recovery.
Tech question....The combination of rocker and bottom panel in plan drawn above seem a departure from your "more rocker in the last 30%, and/or narrowed transom " approach? The subtle variations intrigue me.
Wayne
Fremantle
PS
Motored Billy Goat to Rottnest (20km), then sailed for a week...First Indian Ocean Goat?
Met a Ness Yawl (gorgeous) on the Swan on mothers day, The Goat was much quicker in the light conditions.
I also like the look of this new design. After catching up on the SOG and National 12 discussions in other threads I think I can see the influence of the National 12, Max beam at 2/3 the length and the fore aft symmetry of the aft 2/3 of the hull is very obvious. I would build one of these in a flash...
This is no domestic goat.
This altogether more feral, more... aggro. (in appearance anyway)
Billy Goat Gruff. With extra Attitude. (and a free set of steak knives) :wink:
Come to think of it, here in southern Adelaide, "Attitude" is a superb spicy salad
dressing made by a local 'boutique' company - Foods from the Edge, Blackwood -
(vegetable oil, vinegar, egg yolk, mustard, garlic, herbs, spices, no preservatives, refrigerate after opening).
What rig are you thinking MIK ?
AJ
Howdy,
The bottom plan is a direct lift from the goat.
The little flip up in the bottom profile (elevation view) at the bow comes from the Quick Canoe of all things. I'm hoping it is a way to deal with different crew weights without the ends digging in too much or the waterline changing length changing length too much either.
Rig ... I'm thinking something freestanding but quite modern in appearance - but limit expense in the way of too many full length battens. Actually thinking of a rotating timber mast.
MIK
Had to ask, ya understand!
A balanced lug just wouldn't look right.
But you might get away with a 1920s style 12ft skiff rig on a humungous bowsprit !!!
(just kidding :D )
Looks like a lot of fun for someone more supple than I.
AJ
Just to bump this to the top a bit.
And of course I am very keen to learn whether there are any new developments concerning this design....
Best regards,
Joost
Here are some photos of a cardboard model I built from the line drawings.
I think I miss-aligned the side panel offsets a little and ended up with more rocker than there should be but you get the idea...
The deck is a bit of improvisation but it keeps the model rigid.
What about the idea of conforming to the classic moth design rule? I don't know too much about it but your concept seems so close to the moth rule anyway, and the design might interest more people that way:
Classic Moth Boat Association
Welcome to the forum Adam!Quote:
Originally Posted by adamburr
Your idea has a lot of merit. I don't think it's an alien concept for MIK. After all there are parallels with what he did with the PDR, now the OZRacer, so I'm sure he would ponder on this. At least it would give the project a positive direction.
Howdy,
I do like the Frankenmoth idea, however I do think that it is hard to get good upwind performance in much less that a 14ft boat when there is some chop.
Also 11ft can make it tricky to find enough displacement for sailor from 110lbs through to 170lbs. The actual Moth class never handled a variety of weights very well.
Compare with the laser which sails well with one aboard or fairly well upwind and down with a second person aboard. It widens out the marketability of the boat. I feel an 11ft boat would be a bit narrowly defined.
I'll keep my eyes open to see what the Classic moths are doing though.
MIK
High on my list of features would be ability to cope with a wide range of crew weights. For instance to be competitive in a a Laser, you have to be in quite a tight weight/size range.
Ian
This is why I've suggested the versatile Laser rigs to MIK. You choose the rig that best suits your weight. There are 4 Laser rigs to choose from*, although the average family would probably only need two because they are reefable by taking a couple of turns around the mast. The sails are really cheap if you go with the non-legal "training" sails, which are still equal in quality to the originals, just half the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanHowick
* 4.7, Radial, Full rig, Rooster
I agree, if I were to build this I would like to be able to take an occasional passenger without loosing too much performance. Perhaps the Classic Moth rule doesn't make sense. Also, a standard laser rig sounds like a great idea. I'm looking forward to more updates on the design.