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29th September 2010, 05:13 PM #1
Duckflat spring boatbuilding school 2010
It is on again until the October 8. Welcome if you want to drop by for a look. 25 Secker Rd Mt Barker.
Not open to the public on Sunday. Will be open on Monday, which is a public holiday here.
Ten days of boatbuilding, where people can build what they want (within reason). Some might take two schools to get their project done though most plan to leave after one.
This year we have very few locals – people from Orange and Murwillumbah, NSW, Victoria, two separate people from Perth.
One father and son team building an Iain Oughtred Fulmar come from opposite sides of the country and meet up at Adelaide which is kindof in the middle.
The boats are just about as varied.
Joel White Nutshell being built by Graeme who is going to fit out the Herreshoff Dulcinea hull he bought from Duckflat earlier in the year.
The Rust son and father team who are on their second visit after completely planking the Fulmar last time.
Rex is building my Goat Island Skiff.
Last time he built a Dragon Boat which ended up very light – he wants to sell that now. So if someone want a Dragon Boat for their club, this would be a nice one.
Judy is sanding the inside of her jewel like strip canoe – also started last time. Built in Paulownia and with light glass will be a boat to carry with one hand. It is a Nymph as featured in Woodenboat.
Judy’s partner Bill is not a co-worker this time but starting his own CLC Night Heron. He is doing interesting stuff with wood stain to go under the epoxy. These are his samples – the CLC kit has mysterious jigsaw puzzle type ends to lock the panels together. Bill is going to make them a feature.
My good friend David Wilson is doing most of the tutoring – I spent yesterday helping too.
Lots of fun.
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30th September 2010, 08:16 AM #2SENIOR MEMBER
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"25 Secker Rd Mt Barker"
Hmmm...Mapquest crashes when I try to get the driving directions.
I guess I won't be able to stop in for a look-see but it appears you have some interesting things going on. I really like the idea of accentuating the puzzle-joints on the CLC kit.The "Cosmos Mariner,"My Goat Island Skiff
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/MiddleAgesMan/
Starting the Simmons Sea Skiff 18
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30th September 2010, 02:14 PM #3
Howdy MAM,
From a teaching perspective and a design sense I am not sure the CLC is the best direction. Truly ingenious but all those bits making up all those panels make it look quite unboatlike when unpacked.
Suspect a simpler kit that used a little bit more ply might be a better balance.
I do think it will be a nice boat in the end - their basic boatshapes are very nice. So I think Bill will be very happy.
It is one of these boats with glass inside and out - so David has suggested using a 2oz (75gsm) glass rather than the 4oz the plans recommend. Should save some weight where it counts.
By the way ... they won't have any students building at duckflat on sunday. But other days are fine.
MIK
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5th October 2010, 09:36 AM #4
Just putting more pics up now. Oughtred Fulmar, Storer Goat Island Skiff, Joel White Nutshell, Nymph canoe, and CLC kayak.
Duckflat boatbuilding springschool 2010 - a set on Flickr
There are a few nice methods included in this set now - like this marking out of a irregular shape using a piece of chipboard in the plane of the seat top and pointer sticks glued on with a hot melt glue gun.
The hot melt glue gun was also used to tag in the temporary bulkheads of the Chesapeake Light Craft Laughing Crane.
The hotmelt (see the four little dabs of clear glue) holds the bulkhead in place nicely but peels off the timber easiliy too.
MIK
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6th October 2010, 01:05 AM #5SENIOR MEMBER
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Great set of slides, MIK. When can I come down and help out!?
I noted that the Nutshell builders did not have a midship frame on the building jig.
That wood stain is wild stuff! I am acquainted with that boats' designer, Nick Schaede. He is a very talented builder and designer.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw them fiberglassing the Fulmar! What was their rationale?
Looks like a great place to teach.
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6th October 2010, 09:30 AM #6
Howdy Clint,
I was a bit amazed at the glassing of the fulmar too - but its what they wanted to do. They are going to be beach cruising along the West Australian coast and possibly up to the Kimberlys (trailing the boat there of course)
Apart from the Crocs (BIIIIIG) crocs and the sharks - this is what the coast looks like ...
And finer scale - this is typical of large sections.
Add to that a 30ft tidal drop and probably 7 knot currents through some of the sections as all that water pours in and out ... I am surprised they didn't build it of Aluminium!!!
(Aluminium is totally unsuitable of course. The boat would end up much heavier)
So that's one of the possibilities for the boat.
The CLC boat is overly complex I think - we are probably going to put in a sheer clamp rather than put a glass tape on the inside of the join - head inside boat - tools on sticks. We've reduced the amount of glass specified too - the amount of weight and glass on kayaks coming out of America is truly bizarre - we were wondering today whether the sheer clamp is not used because of the weight factor - and then all this extra glass is on.
I do know I go on about this. But its like the little Nymph canoe that is being built - the article shows carbon fibre being used for the inside - but the 2oz glass that we know works fine is much lighter (not to mention cheaper) than the carbon - and easier to work. And the loads that such a little boat are under just don't require the stiffness of carbon - even with the 2oz glass there will be no observable deflection in normal use.
You would be completely welcome of course Clint! If you can get here, you can walk right in and get a nice cup of tea! They are a super good group too! Really great to work with.
MIK
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7th October 2010, 10:27 AM #7
Yes .. the midship frame is really unnecessary. Just use a gunwale and inwale instead.
The frame is a complete pain when sailing and adds a lot of messy labour. Also delays the start of planking - which is really slow in a class situation.
Usually the seats are made removable for sailing versions.
But for the centrecase there is a risk that without the midship frame the centrecase can break free at the back of the case if the board hits something hard.
We get round it by having just a straight crossways bearer behind the centrecase just on the floor area and having a ply gusset between it and the back of the centrecase - this gives a huge amount of bonding area to the floor panel.
MIK
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