Thread: Finally building the GIS: Couple of questions

Hi Rick,

Welcome to the madness!

Duckworks offers an epoxy kit for the GIS, which includes 1.5 gallons of resin and .75 gallons of hardener.

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/supplies.../gis/index.htm

That may or may not be enough (the site says it is more than enough to build the boat. You can contact (email or call) Chuck or Sandra at Duckworks and ask.

Where abouts in N. California are you?

Bob

Originally Posted by BobWes

Hi Rick,

Welcome to the madness!

Duckworks offers an epoxy kit for the GIS, which includes 1.5 gallons of resin and .75 gallons of hardener.

http://www.duckworksbbs.com/supplies.../gis/index.htm

That may or may not be enough (the site says it is more than enough to build the boat. You can contact (email or call) Chuck or Sandra at Duckworks and ask.

Where abouts in N. California are you?

Bob

Howdy Bob,

Wonder if that amount includes a light weight glassing of the bottom. Likely not, as Michael's specs forego the glassing. I can always get more goobersticky if I need it, so the amount listed by Duckworks should be a good place to start.

I'm just over the hill west of you. Santa Rosa.

True, it isn't like you can't get more if it is needed!

Santa Rosa... good, that's close... your Goat will make the group (you. Jamie, me, and the SF boat building school's Goat) picture under the Golden Gate that much better!

Where are you buying your plywood?

Bob

I always work out the per litre or per gallon price for the current size and the next size up.

Sometimes there is a good price break going up a size. Epoxy has a long shelf life so if you have other projects in mind ...

MIK

Originally Posted by BobWes

True, it isn't like you can't get more if it is needed!

Santa Rosa... good, that's close... your Goat will make the group (you. Jamie, me, and the SF boat building school's Goat) picture under the Golden Gate that much better!

Where are you buying your plywood?

Bob

I may take a drive up to Arcata and visit Almquist Lumber. Sometimes they have 6mm Okoume ply, sometimes not. Might deal with Handlogger's in Richmond if they have what I need. Couple of other places I may order from if I can get a shipping rate that doesn't kill me. For the other wood, I have a couple thousand feet of old growth clear Doug fir that I falled and milled some years ago, and I have a real good source of WRC. Have you started your GIS build?

Rick,

Yeah, I started my build in early April. Since I live in an apartment I don't have the space to actually build the GIS to completion here. What I am doing is building bits and pieces and components and saving them for assembly as a hull.

I have the rudder and centerboard nearly done. The rudder is about ready for paint; the centerboard has been glued up, cut to the outline shape, and the foil is being shaped with a plane.

The stem is done.

The inwale spacers are cut (I know, minor parts but they needed to be done at some point).

Due to the logistics and expense of buying 17' long lumber, I decided to scarf the materials for the gunwales, gunwale caps, inwales, and skids. To that end I put together a scarfing jig - and I'm counting that as progress on the boat!

I'm heading off for a week and a half on Georgian Bay in Canada at the end of June. When I get back I'll order some plywood (I'll use Hughes Hardwoods in Sacramento unless there is a really great deal somewhere else) and begin the bulkheads, centerboard case, transom, and rudder box.

Also on the to-do list in July is to resume the hunt for space to build the hull. Could be a rental house, could be rented or borrowed shop space, or I may be able to buy a place, But I figure I need to find something by the end of September (probably run out of bits and pieces to make here by then!)

Bob

Getting all, or most of the parts made and ready for fitting sounds like a good way to run the build. I too live in an apartment, but I have a detached garage that gives me 23x12 of floor space.

What sort of price does Hughes have on 6mm okoume 4x8? If the price is right it might be better to drive to SAC to get my ply.

Originally Posted by BobWes

Rick,

Yeah, I started my build in early April. Since I live in an apartment I don't have the space to actually build the GIS to completion here. What I am doing is building bits and pieces and components and saving them for assembly as a hull.

I have the rudder and centerboard nearly done. The rudder is about ready for paint; the centerboard has been glued up, cut to the outline shape, and the foil is being shaped with a plane.

The stem is done.

The inwale spacers are cut (I know, minor parts but they needed to be done at some point).

Due to the logistics and expense of buying 17' long lumber, I decided to scarf the materials for the gunwales, gunwale caps, inwales, and skids. To that end I put together a scarfing jig - and I'm counting that as progress on the boat!

I'm heading off for a week and a half on Georgian Bay in Canada at the end of June. When I get back I'll order some plywood (I'll use Hughes Hardwoods in Sacramento unless there is a really great deal somewhere else) and begin the bulkheads, centerboard case, transom, and rudder box.

Also on the to-do list in July is to resume the hunt for space to build the hull. Could be a rental house, could be rented or borrowed shop space, or I may be able to buy a place, But I figure I need to find something by the end of September (probably run out of bits and pieces to make here by then!)

Bob

I am jealous of that garage space you have. That is great.

In early April Hughes Hardwood quoted $60 a sheet for 6mm okoume plywood and a 7-10 lead time. They don't stock it so you can't pick and choose, but a friend of mine up this way has purchased okoume from them and was happy with their service and the product. When I get back from Canada I'll stop by their store to get another quote (heck, looking at their hardwood inventory is worth the visit), and if it is reasonable, I'll order at least two sheets (carting it home and storage issues prevent buying all six sheets at once).

Let me know what prices you find.

Bob

That's one heck of a good price. I'm calling Hughes tomorrow I hope it's BS1088 ply. Almquist's 6mm 4x8 is on the north side of 90 frogskins

Originally Posted by BobWes

I am jealous of that garage space you have. That is great.

In early April Hughes Hardwood quoted $60 a sheet for 6mm okoume plywood and a 7-10 lead time. They don't stock it so you can't pick and choose, but a friend of mine up this way has purchased okoume from them and was happy with their service and the product. When I get back from Canada I'll stop by their store to get another quote (heck, looking at their hardwood inventory is worth the visit), and if it is reasonable, I'll order at least two sheets (carting it home and storage issues prevent buying all six sheets at once).

Let me know what prices you find.

Bob

That's quite a difference in price. Hope I understood them right in April! Let me know what they have to say.

Bob

Make sure you ask them beforehand what their replacement policy is for ply with unexpected defects.

MIK

Good idea. I'll be sure to ask about that.

Originally Posted by Boatmik

Make sure you ask them beforehand what their replacement policy is for ply with unexpected defects.

MIK

Originally Posted by BobWes

That's quite a difference in price. Hope I understood them right in April! Let me know what they have to say.

Bob

Bob, I called Hughes. They have Meranti 1088 6mm for $62.00. The Okoume is much more expensive at $93.00/sheet. The Meranti is structurally good, but it is a good 20% heavier or more. I would expect a GIS built from it to weight a good 25 lbs. more than one built with okoume.

The good news: I called Almquist back. If I order more than 5 sheets at a time, they'll give me a break to $82.62/sheet. It's worth the drive up to Arcata if I get myself about 10 sheets. I need 6 for the 'goat, and I might use the other 4 sheets to play around with a Bolger June Bug.

Rick,

Thanks for that information. Must have been a mis-communication or misunderstanding on my part in April. Guess I better save up a few more pennies...

Bob