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What is this about babies?

So many people are delaying perfectly good boatbuilding projects because of babies!

Jamie in the USA, Theodor in Slovenia ... the list goes on.

Maybe it is a side effect of the epoxy. Or that men look so handsome in overalls?

You know I am joking, Jamie!

Keep us updated on the babe!

MIK

That's baby (B-A-B-Y) Mik... BABE is something else altogether! It's just a guess, but I'm thinkin' Jamie might be in a bit of trouble right now if he starts telling us about a babe (unless he's talking about his wife...)

Lots of sanding going on... working at fairing the rudder. Maybe it really isn't a lot of sanding, it just seems like a lot of work without a lot of obvious results.

The rudder will soon be ready for paint. Not sure I'm ready to apply paint to anything yet. Thought I had decided on a color scheme (yellow hull with bright interior), but started to waver on that... Guess I don't need to make that decision just yet.

Bob

Oh, babies. The last major transition in my life was a double wammy...we had Oliver AND I decided to quit my job, after three tries, and go to boat school. This week, I made the decision to start my business plan for boatbuilding and we get the call from China: they have a daughter for us. We are adopting a little girl...been waiting 2 years. I have my work cut out for me too, Jamie.

So BobWes,

If I hear you are holding a "babe in arms", I will have to be very careful how I interpret it! )

MIK

Clint,

See ... you couldn't hold out with this info.

Oh wow, what a big change you are making. And congratulations!

Keep us all informed!

We will need a babies thread on this forum at this rate!

MIK

Clint,

Congratulations! Indeed, congratulations and good luck on all three fronts. And do keep us posted.

Mik,

When next you hear I am holding a "babe in arms" there will be pics to reduce the possible ambiguity, doubt, or interpretation.

Bob

Utilising many of the skills developed by documenting the Goat via photos.

MIK

Well, If I've got a babe in my arms we'll be utilizing someone else's photography skills...

So, I'm building bits and pieces here in the apartment heading toward the day I move this operation into a larger space to build the hull. There are several possibilities but a recurring question is, "How long will you need the space?" This question is asked by two friends who may be able to let me use their garages. And I'm asking myself that question as I look at the possibility of renting space for the hull build. I looked at a 20' x 40' garage that is available for $300 a month (if free space isn't available I'll need to rent something like this for as short a time as possible).

If I could spend 3 to 4 hours a day 4 days a week plus 8 hours on each weekend day, how long would it take to complete the hull (from laying out the lines on the plywood to "done?" A month, 2 months, or what? Those times really are estimates but I am alone, my children are grown, and I could devote that kind of time to the project. Taking into account inertia, cure times, pondering, and just plain unproductive time, how long would it take?

Thanks.

Bob

It is a bit difficult to guess because people have wildly different working speeds. A good random orbit sander helps a lot.

However plan to do as much as you possibly can before assembly.

Before assembly the whole kit and caboodle can stack up alongside a garage wall and you can potentially work in the open.

Plywood pieces - all pieces of timber attached, relevant areas masked, all epoxy coated and sanded.
Limber holes cut.

Bottom skids shaped and epoxy coated except for the gluing face.

Inspection ports fitted.

Components for mast step and mast partner glued up ready to be trimmed and glued into place.

The inwales cannot be attached to the boat, but what duckflat do is glue the spacers to the inwale in advance and coat the hard to get at bits with epoxy - 3 coats wet on wet. you can work out the length within 10mm or so from the side panels making the deduction for the knees at the bow and the stern.

The gussets for the seat supports can be cut up.

The Side arms for Bhd#2 and Bhd#4 which are left off until the seat tops are on can be made up.

Centrecase built and have the cleats to attach it to the floor made up and glued on - don't put the cleats on the top edge yet, it might have to be trimmed down.

The precoating and sanding saves the most time of any preparation you can do. Don't worry about coating the outside of the hull ... that is dead easy when the boat is assembled .. it is all the detail stuff on the inside that causes time consumption.

In the classes here, the hull has been fully assembled from the ply pieces in a bit less than 90 hours. Didn't include the inwales. This included gluing up the blanks for the centreboard and rudder.

The other one got a lot further with two people on it ... they had a very slow start as they didn't get to grips with the plans until about half way through and kept half finishing things and having to revisit, also putting framing on the wrong sides etc. They got everything for the hull done except the inwales, including the blanks and glued up the square mast too.

Painting is a whole other story - I would estimate it takes about as long as assembling the hull, though you can save quite a bit of time if you epoxy precoat the components and sand them. You still have to paint and varnish, but you don't need the big job of climbing round the inside of the boat trying to sand funny shaped areas.

Michael.

Thanks Mik, for that break down. Much more detailed than my "bits and pieces," but most of what you listed is what I've planned to do in my "small space." I do like your list a bit better, so I'll refer to it as I check my progress.

I understand the point about everyone having different work speeds - I just didn't think about how that makes it an unfair question. But do you mean to tell me you haven't figured out all of our individual works speeds yet? I am shocked! Just kidding.

Thanks again for the help.

Bob

Bob -

Just to give you one slant on the topic... I can tell you how long ours took to build. I'd have to look at the spreadsheet to be dead accurate, but it took us about 8 months, IIRC. There were almost always 4 of us: friend Jerry (accountant/publisher... not a woodworker At All); youngest son (10, and into it); oldest son (15, and playing along with this sawdust stuff, really just wants to sail); myself (professional woodworker - trying supervise, interpret plans, and defer a lot of the work experience to the others). A quick noodle says that tots up to about 420 man-hours. The work party atmosphere - complete with pizza & beer (or wine) - was quite productive, I thought... and quite fun. See the Duckworks article for a description of a "typical" evening of boatbuilding

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/...ders/index.htm

At one point, though, I did some rough calcs, and estimated that - working alone, and in full production mode - I could probably crank out the same boat in about half to two thirds the time.

Since we achieved Substantial Completion, the boat has been used a lot and used hard. We've probably put in another couple hundred hours of maintainance, repairs, modifications, and upgrades.

Hope that's useful.


"Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence" -- Henry Tikkanen

Originally Posted by Compass Project

Oh, babies. The last major transition in my life was a double wammy...we had Oliver AND I decided to quit my job, after three tries, and go to boat school. This week, I made the decision to start my business plan for boatbuilding and we get the call from China: they have a daughter for us. We are adopting a little girl...been waiting 2 years. I have my work cut out for me too, Jamie.

Wow Clint! Congratulations! You do have your work cut out for you...
But I am sure it will be fun!

Originally Posted by BobWes

That's baby (B-A-B-Y) Mik... BABE is something else altogether! It's just a guess, but I'm thinkin' Jamie might be in a bit of trouble right now if he starts telling us about a babe (unless he's talking about his wife...)

How about... "The babe is having a baby."

Excellent answer!!