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4th June 2009, 08:32 PM #211SENIOR MEMBER
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Venturi bailers will only let water IN when stationary after a capsize. You need to be going quite quickly, a good reaching speed, before they work, and this is the last thing you want to be doing with a boat heavy with water. If you do fit venturi bailers you have to bail out a lot of water by bucket before setting off to empty the rest with the venturi bailers. And if they were already open when you capsized, ie sailing fast in strong winds, they will not help whilst you hand bail just the opposite.
I came back to dinghy sailing 9 years ago, and have capsized only twice. Once on purpose to test things, no problems in a light wind. The other time was racing in strong winds. I had been reading too many books about gybing downwind as you would tack upwind in shifts. One gybe too many and mainsheet caught on transom, most usual way of capsizing, and over she went very quickly. Much windier this time, far more water in the boat, much harder work allround.
So although real conditions are more difficult than practice ones, the main point is capsizes are very rare. You might only have to bail once in 10 years. If you fit a venturi, as MIK says, you will have a leaky boat every time you sail in those 10 years. IMHO.
Brian
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4th June 2009, 09:33 PM #212
Also, my only serious sailing injury was caused by falling on a venturi - the edge sliced a 200mm gash in my leg which then meant that the water I had to bail out by hand was not only cold and wet and salty but tinged red with my claret! Since then I have formed the view that they not only don't work but they are a menace!
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5th June 2009, 01:46 AM #213SENIOR MEMBER
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How much water after capsize?
Here's a video from a distance but you can get a little idea.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6YZyY4e-H0&feature=related"]YouTube - Righting a capsized Goat Island Skiff[/ame]
MIK used to have one up showing him bailing Gruff. That one gives you a better idea but I couldn't find it.The "Cosmos Mariner,"My Goat Island Skiff
http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/MiddleAgesMan/
Starting the Simmons Sea Skiff 18
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37973275@N03/
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5th June 2009, 10:26 AM #214
Thanks guys. From the video, it seems to still float pretty high when brought upright. On its side, the daggerboard isn't above the water by much so it takes a nice big slurp on the way up.
It appears that climbing back aboard is fine for one person at a time from the same side in it's full state, and the bouyancy is plenty. Maybe not two at a time from the same side? The gunwales are still nice and high enough so that if there was a chop, it won't take on too much more water, if any.
Judging by the comments you've all made regarding leaks, it appears that the quality of these venturi type bailers is woeful these days. I never had any problems with leaks apart from a perished gasket, which was easily fixed. I can't recall the brands available at the time but they had a nice strong lever and clicking action to seal them.
You've given me a bit to think about, so thanks all....
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5th June 2009, 12:03 PM #215
Howdy
The good common ones are the RILEY brand in OZ. I don't think you will see anywhere else in the world. For racing they are rugged, but they do leak just a tiny bit after a while. There seems to be a basic problem with putting holes in a boat!!!
There is a capsize and recovery set of pics here - I was showing off to some young women in a fishing boat ... they brought me my paddle back
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boatmik...7594516743453/
With two aboard it would be dead easy. One climbs aboard and starts bailing and the other just focusses on stopping the boat from capsizing again - staying outside the boat and holding onto the side (warm water) or getting aboard and just moving to keep things upright. One person for one job!
Singlehanded ... The thing I would do differently next time if I was in open water in a strong wind is I would drop the sail. Possibly before righting the boat - make sure there is a knot in the end of the halyard!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just to repeat!!!). Then right the boat and it will be much easier for one person to hold upright.
Get rid of the water and rehoist the sail (probably after reefing down - carry ropes for this.)
MIK
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5th June 2009, 05:06 PM #216
Great pics there Mik!
Yeah, when one is more chronologically advantaged, capsizing, righting and hopping back in can be accomplished without getting ones feet wet! My Dabchick didn't need bailing as it had no cockpit. They could be righted in about 15secs and then you were off again and as fast as the next boat too. The Sprog was a cinch also because its cockpit was very small and the "seat" was a closed in buoyancy tank. But if you did take a swim, getting onto the centreboard was a problem because it floated so high......especially as I wore a water weight jacket too, which added a few kilos. The GIS's board is very low, but a stirrup would still make things easier if needed.
I'll look into the Rileys, thanks for that.
By the way Mik, that sail on Gruff looks really nice . Who is the sailmaker?
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5th June 2009, 10:56 PM #217
Back in the day, I would crew on 420s, which are just a tad larger than Sprogs but very easy to capsize. I became adept at righting the boat and getting back into position without going in the water. My feet would get wet from whatever shipped into the cockpit, but everything above the knees would be dry. I'd already be hooked into the trapeze and smiling calmly by the time skipper hauled his soaking behind over the transom. He'd give me the evil eye and cuss me out, but I figured that was just his penalty for dumping us!
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6th June 2009, 02:26 AM #218
That sail was made by Biting Midge's local Tarpaulin maker. He had some sailcloth and made it up.!
MIK
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6th June 2009, 08:52 AM #219
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6th June 2009, 12:00 PM #220
And he made them up about 12 years before these photos.
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7th June 2009, 09:34 PM #221
My sail was made by KenO'Brien from Adelaide. Cheaper, including transport and taxes, then to have it made in Holland! Looks good. Have not tried it yet. (se avatar for the sail)
AbWer sich nicht bewegt, fuehlt die Fessel nicht /Rosa Luxemburg
(If you don't move, you don't feel the chains)
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8th June 2009, 08:52 AM #222
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9th June 2009, 06:21 AM #223Wer sich nicht bewegt, fuehlt die Fessel nicht /Rosa Luxemburg
(If you don't move, you don't feel the chains)
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14th June 2009, 07:45 PM #224
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14th June 2009, 08:10 PM #225
hahaha ... cool.
They are my agents in South Africa ... they do computer cutting of ply. They were quick!!!
MIK
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