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    Smile Goat Island Skiff - Tools (AND CLAMPS) required? Applies to all storerboats

    Well I have taken the plunge. I have bought the plans, sourced the timber and stayed up waaay past my bed time looking at all the various bits a pieces of marine rigging etc...

    so it occured to me i am about to start and that I probably need more tools than a power drill and a couple of shifting spanners, which, I might add is about the sum total of my tool box.

    I would welcome any thoughts and contributions on what tools I will require to build a GIS or the like.

    Many thanks
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    Jigsaw, Random orbit sander, handplane and sharpening stone, cordless drill/screwdriver, ruler, measuring tape, pencils, half dozen cheap clamps, arms, legs ...

    There are other things that make it more CONVENIENT - but this is just about enough.

    MIK

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    one of the best planes i have for small amount of boat building i have done is the Stanley #118 low angle plane, i picked mine up on fleabay

    you will never have enough clamps no matter how many you have

    a hand saw will be needed, a good sharp 1" chisel and some rubber gloves if you useing epoxy

    oh and good luck with your build

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    A measuring device. A tape is good, a metre long metal rule is also handy, but not necessary.

    You DON'T need a square, you can measure off the ends of the ply to set out the boat, but grab a corner from a cardboard carton to check for squareness. Most cartons are cut at an accurate 90. You can check for square by lining it up against the edge of something and drawing a perpendicular line. Flip it over against the line you've just drawn, if its still against the edge, it's square.

    Even a jig saw is unnecessary, but useful and quite cheap. If you've already got a panel saw (a hand saw) the curves are sufficiently long that you can use that. A Japanese pull saw would do the trick, and would be very useful for cutting all the angles in the framing.

    You will need a plane. A Stanley #4 is a good starting place, if you can get a second hand one go for it. Although a low angle block plane is really really handy.

    Learn to adjust and sharpen it before you start (there are plenty of threads to search here) and you'll learn to love it. Do a search for "Scary Sharp" for the simplest/cheapest sharpening method for beginners.

    A belt sander is fun and fast, and a good optional accessory, as is a Random Orbital Sander for when you come to finish. If this is all you are going to do n your life, buy some cheapies, otherwise, pay as much you can afford and you'll have a tool for life.

    You need a chisel. I built my GIS with only a 3/4 chisel in my collection, but a wider one would be useful too.

    You can probably get away with no clamps by using removable plasterboard screws for every join, but a few clamps would be useful as Mik says.

    The drill you have. Is it a battery drill that drives screws? You'll need one of those!

    That's pretty much it really.

    It's a simple collection of simple tools. From there, anything you add will make the job easier or more enjoyable if you like mucking round with tools, or faster.

    I'm not anti tools by any means, I've pretty much got one of everything now, but when I built my GIS, the list above is what I had and what I used.

    Cheers,

    P

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    ok so far

    orbital sander (have this)
    perhaps belt sander
    drill ( have a plug in electric drill, variable speed, keyless chuck etc..that will do)
    ruler
    chisel 3/4
    tape measure (have this)
    pencil
    clamp x many ( have been shopping and now have 40 of these)
    stanly number 4 plane ( will see what dad has)
    hand saw

    that should do the trick. Might start looking on ebay for a plane.
    Many thanks everyone for your input.
    Goes without saying I will post progress pics.

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    The random orbit sander has a round pad and cuts faster and leaves less scratches than a square orbital sander. The Bosch PEX is a good cheap one.

    You can get away with a stanley #4 and no other plane at all but if you can pick up a cheap "block plane" it can be quite convenient for one handed operation.

    Possibly you could pick up a box of GMC powertools from Bunnings or one of the big chains that includes a jigsaw and a random orbit sander (and four other power tools for much the same price as buying a better brand single tool.

    The GMC are quite reasonable quality and if one tool dies during the warranty period they replace the lot. So keep the receipt in a safe place!

    MIK

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    I disagree with hongkongphoie,

    You can never have enough clamps
    this is what woodworkers say and is taken to be true by virtue of repetition and that everyone nods and agrees with each other.

    But I'd stick by the statement that you only really need a half dozen clamps of the screw kind and they can be quite cheap. The other type that is useful to collect are spring clamps - make sure they have a good spring - it should be a bit of effort to open the clamp um completely with one hand. These are cheap too.

    Maybe 3 screw clamps together with six good spring clamps would come to the same money and would be enough too.

    So where I agree with HKPhoie is that if you have some more clamps it makes things a bit more convenient but you don't need to have the feeling that you need lots.

    But please don't start to think that you need lots! Part of gluing jobs is to plan well. If you plan well you will only need a few clamps. More clamps can increase the convenience and mean that you can get away with half hearted planning - but half hearted planning is very risky (not suggesting anything about HKP here). My plans do suggest in different places that you do some of the assembly without glue to make sure that you can hold everything in place with what you have - this is so you don't get into problems where you suddenly need more clamps than you have - then when you have it all sussed out you can take it apart, add the glue and reassemble in the same screw holes that you used for the dry run.

    The cordless drill and the drywall/plasterboard screws serve the function of clamps almost completely. With things like mast gluing where you don't want to use screws I use two clamps. Starting from one end I put them about 400 mm apart.

    Then wind several layers of the brown plastic packaging tape around the mast close to the bottom clamp pulling it really tight - probably need to go around about 3 times.

    Then you can move the bottom clamp above the top clamp and wrap tape around the mast near the other clamp.

    10 minutes later the whole thing is clamped up securely but you have only used two clamps. If you have 6 clamps - well - it will be VERY easy.

    Best wishes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatmik View Post
    I disagree with hongkongphoie, this is what woodworkers say and is taken to be true by virtue of repetition and that everyone nods and agrees with each other.
    I agree with Mik entirely. I have enough clamps!

    I do have two dozen little 3" screw G clamps bought over a five year period at $2 or $3 each, and a few others of varying size, mostly of good quality. But they are luxury items.

    Don't forget, apart from packaging tape, you can do wonders with a bit of twine (nylon cord is good, as epoxy doesn't stick to it) and a stick to pull it tight, or a well placed truckies hitch.

    Cheers,

    P

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    i know what your saying and i take no affence it just i like to clamp things rather than have to go around later filling or plugging the screw holes, to me thats just unnessaserey work just for the sake of a few more clamps


    so who's going to tell Daddles he didn't need all these clamps



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    Howdy HKP,

    A lot of what I write here is not necessarily for the people it is addressed to - like you.

    I am often writing so it becomes useful for people who are to follow who don't have the context of seeing the whole thing unfolding as we have.

    So sometimes I will emphasise something out of proportion - like my "taking issue" with the number of clamps you suggested. I do know what you mean and both you and Daddles are entitled to your number of clamps.

    After all I might want to borrow them one day!

    MIK

    So please don't think I am disagreeing much - really it

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkongphoie View Post
    so who's going to tell Daddles he didn't need all these clamps

    Not me I've seen Daddles at work he needs all the clamps he can get.


    Mike

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    clamps it is.. I have just purchased 25 f clamps on ebay ... and another 10 spring ones .. think thats enough..
    at lunch I happened to "drop in" to bunnings and am now the proud owner of a stainless steel meter ruler
    a nice hand saw
    3 chisels
    I think I'll end up buying their gmc power saw the guy at bunnings said that they dont get returns and they also have a 2 year warrenty.
    Away at Stanthorpe freezing my butt off this weekend so start date has been slightly delayed..
    Thanks Mik for putting this thread in the right place and renaming etc.. Is it that obvious that I am a blog/thread virgin??
    Cheers all

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    Ahhh what all good woodies need....... an excuse to buy more tools

    I need more clamps I want more clamps I must have more clamps MMMWWAHAHAHA


    CHEERS
    Any thing with sharp teeth eats meat.
    Most powertools have sharp teeth.
    People are made of meat.
    Abrasives can be just as dangerous as a blade.....and 10 times more painfull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsycre7171 View Post
    I think I'll end up buying their gmc power saw the guy at bunnings said that they dont get returns and they also have a 2 year warrenty.
    Cheers all
    Look at their boxes of several tools - sometimes when they are on special buying six can be cheaper than 2 1/2!

    And if one karks it then they replace the whole set!!! Or have in the past.

    MIK

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