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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonLew View Post
    20knots full sail guarantees a death roll but that's understandable. What caught me by surprise is that last time we death rolled it was blowing in the low teens. The boat was unstable and I was fighting it constantly. Had a couple close calls and then one got away from me. I still don't have an on the fly adjustable outhaul so the sail was set pretty full from earlier in the day when the wind was 8knots or so. I'll definitely try the flat sail trim. Another possible issue is that we were in shoal waters and I had the dagger board half way up. This probably cost us a lot of roll damping.
    When you say "us" Do you mean you and the goat? Or one other person and the goat and you?

    Did you see the posts about not sitting along the centreline when two up?

    MIK

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    It was my sister and I. She was sitting on the mid seat to starboard and I was on the floor in the back. Usually on port but would move around some trying to find a stable spot. The conditions were pretty benign. Maybe it was just the right size and period of waves that did it.

    Actually the whole thing is a bit of a funny story. We were sailing with several sailing canoes. Among others, Hugh Horton was in Bufflehead and Meade Gougeon was sailing Woodwind. Those canoes can really boogie. Mead and Hugh, being infinitely wiser than I, reefed before leaving the beach. We had just sailed up wind in the same breeze and it was perfect for the Goat with two light people on the rail so we figured we were fine to keep full sail up off the wind. Our plan was to pass the canoes while on plane with fans of glorious spray shooting off the bow..... we went swimming instead. BTW, both Hugh and Meade have sailed the Goat and they give high praise to the designer. Here's a pic from that day.

    Simon
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonLew View Post
    ...Our plan was to pass the canoes while on plane with fans of glorious spray shooting off the bow.....
    Reality > Fantasy! Noble goal though... keep planning!

    Here's a pic from that day.
    Gorgeous! Another great multi-goat session; your radial sail adjacent to the junk-esque canoe rigs; lots of nice traditional boats; Meade Gougeon in whiteface; SNARK FOR THE WIN! Thanks for sharing Simon (I can feel the sun's glow from here).
    Dave
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    Simon, re your death rolls. I know all about these! In a very strong breeze, you do need to over sheet by quite a bit downwind as you will have quite a lot twist going on and you want to keep pressure in the sail. Put on some downhaul/vanghaul to remove some of the twist, and stay away from dead runs and by the lee.

    I have capsized lots of times in a moderate breeze and usually it comes from pushing the boat hard like you were doing. Try not to over correct with the tiller. Use timely sheeting and body weight instead. Some extra board down will help stability and won't slow the boat. Some people think that too much board down on the run will trip the boat over and increase the chances of a capsise, but it gives you a decent working foil to balance against with body weight and makes its movement feel more predictable. The last thing you want when the boat rolls a bit to windward is not enough foil to provide grip when you sheet in to counter the roll. If ever the boat is rolling, you need to sheet in more, and don't be afraid to sheet in quite a bit to get the boat stable again.

    The only time you might want to raise the board by an extra amount is when reaching in a strong wind and you have more wind than you can cope with. This will allow the boat to slip sideways a bit but it will be manageable because you have speed and a predictable pressure on the sail plus you are on the gunwale, so the forces are all in a line. Never pull the board up completely though, or you will be swimming!

    As MIK said, where you place body weight is very important to how the boat sails.

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    Default First Time On The Forum - David Wait

    Well I have finally got around to figuring out what this forum thing is all about!! Thanks for the comments. I will start constructing my lug rig based on the input. I have two questions:

    1) Where can I order Sitka on line of the caliber needed for the spars?
    2) How do I get in touch with Bruce, or where is all the racing information located?

    3) Where do I post a fun video of my kids (they helped build her) and me, sledding on the goat down a snow covered hill into our mountain lake?
    Thanks!!!

    dwait

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwait View Post
    Well I have finally got around to figuring out what this forum thing is all about!! Thanks for the comments. I will start constructing my lug rig based on the input. I have two questions:

    1) Where can I order Sitka on line of the caliber needed for the spars?
    2) How do I get in touch with Bruce, or where is all the racing information located?

    3) Where do I post a fun video of my kids (they helped build her) and me, sledding on the goat down a snow covered hill into our mountain lake?
    Thanks!!!

    dwait
    Welcome to the forum dwait.

    You do not need Sitka for the spars. Any clear straight grained pine, Douglass fir etc will do the job. I used Douglass fir from a big box hardware store with great results.

    I don't know of a repository for just racing info. There are several active threads with rig setup info. Forum search is the best way to find specific info. MIK has a lot of good info on the lug rig wiki

    To post a video, sign up for a YouTube account and upload the video there. Then just add a link to the video to your post by using the "insert video" button (looks like a film strip)

    Can't wait to see Goat sledding! Guess that's appropriate for this time of year in Colorado.
    Simon
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    The folks I sail with:
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwait View Post
    Well I have finally got around to figuring out what this forum thing is all about!! Thanks for the comments. I will start constructing my lug rig based on the input. I have two questions:

    1) Where can I order Sitka on line of the caliber needed for the spars?
    2) How do I get in touch with Bruce, or where is all the racing information located?

    3) Where do I post a fun video of my kids (they helped build her) and me, sledding on the goat down a snow covered hill into our mountain lake?
    Thanks!!!

    dwait
    Simon helped out with the Qs ... I'm really just welcoming you here (belatedly).

    As you are a racing type ... the main changes are

    a stiffer yard. I would choose Douglas Fir (Oregon in Oz) and increase the dimensions slightly - maybe 3mm added to all the widths. Maybe some of the others might suggest more. Depends on your weight too.

    A stiffer boom - pine or spruce or fir are all fine here. See the wiki to see how the best stiffness/weight compromise is developing.

    Mast is strong enough to deal with anything - so spruce would save some weight. But fir or similar weight pines are also suitable. Square hollow or the free round birdsmouth design.

    MIK

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    Missed this thread. That was the first GIS kit I sent out I think. I wonder if David built the Rig.

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